then I really don't believe it

Oh so 5 biliion

Holy shit

2013 Dems, "Let's build 350 miles of wall".
2019 Dems, "Orange Man Bad, we won't build less than that".

Well now the wall costs 8 Billion

they did use the poor workers that was not getting payed as a shield but refused to pass a bill to pay them

he must be aiming 4 "supreme skeptic"

all corporate media and government information outlets I treat as propaganda

They filibustered a bill which did nothing but pay the Coast Guard, didn't mention anything else, not even the wall.

Fucking disgusting of the Dems

they are Bolsheviks

@nutsnax Interesting, so what *do* you trust

virtually nothing

unless I'm able to, on some level, validate the information myself

I'll put it this way

and now Trump is sitting and waiting for the next 3 week until he pushes the big red button that gives him the power to build the wall using the defence budget 100 billion unallocated money

I trust CNN less than I trust Alex Jones

but I don't trust either of them

@Nordhand Yep, the Dems need to take his offer with DACA now or they get nothing and he gets as much wall as he fucking wants.

I don't trust CNN to report that rain is wet correctly

@nutsnax and that is a good way to put it

Epigenetics too

@Mr. Robo`tó that's pretty much how you have to be

everything with a grain of salt.... 😉

Is the EU guy complaining about 5 billion?

Thats the anual EU paperclip budget

however I will say that I don't think that Jones is a nefarious actor thus leading to my lack of trust, but I think he's a much smaller outlet with the potential for unreliable sources (think mom and pop vs walmart)

plus he has an axe to grind

for me jones is just another "useful idiot"

I wasn't complaining about the 5 bn, I was pointing out that partial shutdown has cost the US economy 11bn, 3 of which will never be recovered

alex is a showman first and news man second

right

a very useful 1 i would add

And it's on the heads of the Dems, so I'm glad they'll never get my vote until they change completely.

Alex Jones Rants as an Indie Folk Song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWd6XgBVIcg

exactly why I take everything Jones says with a mine of salt

@meratrix Well it's debatable, depending on how the shutdown ends, it could go either way.

trump was willing to give them almost everything they was asking for but they did just go orange man bad

Yeah. We really shouldn't make temlorary solutions

It keeps happening because nobody wants to commit to a longterm budget.

@Capitán Alatriste They filibustered a budget before the new session started. It's on their heads. No matter how much CNN lies through their teeth.