Message from @Jabba

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nowt ending up with the tax man

As I've said before I reckon us EU migrants working out there probs paid more taxes

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2019-02-09 16:38:52 UTC  

Ah yes, the Greeks...

2019-02-09 16:41:38 UTC  

...thinking they can get gibs because of classical culture - not how it works - although that's kinda the problem everywhere in the West, thinking there is some sort of bed of laurels to lounge on because of the achievements of previous generations.

2019-02-09 17:05:24 UTC  

The myth of tribal utopia is from the Marxist school of bullshit
- tribal structure was communist, but it was no utopia... tribes thought nothing of genociding each other over a grudge or convenience.
The communism was self-contained within each tribe, and each tribe member had to serve a useful function or face banishment.

2019-02-09 17:06:41 UTC  

Which in itself *is not real communism*

2019-02-09 17:06:49 UTC  

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2019-02-09 17:08:58 UTC  

real communism has never been tried

2019-02-09 17:09:22 UTC  

real nazism has never been tried

2019-02-09 17:12:33 UTC  

yeah, it was communism inasmuch that it was based around the community with a sharing of resources, but there were social structures ranging from chiefs to slaves (slaves usually sign of agriculture, not nomads).

2019-02-09 17:26:43 UTC  

And vast trade networks

2019-02-09 17:27:53 UTC  

So really, 'distributism' is closer to tribalism than communism is

2019-02-09 17:38:15 UTC  

I'll respectfully disagree - sure they traded, but there was no fundamental right to property ownership - means of production was nevertheless directed by the chief and tribal members couldn't really argue their assigned place.

2019-02-09 17:39:48 UTC  

- That said, it is clearly not the Marxist utopia often assigned to it

2019-02-09 17:44:00 UTC  

Depends what tribes we're talking about

2019-02-09 17:44:38 UTC  

In some places, production was an emergent phenomenon based on who was naturally good at what

2019-02-09 17:45:18 UTC  

And some tribes became specialized in a few products in order to trade with other tribes

2019-02-09 17:46:54 UTC  

Like the Chinook trade network in the Northwest of North America

There were tribes that did nothing but fish all day, and other ones that specialized in being bartering merchants using that dried fish

2019-02-09 17:53:31 UTC  

yes, also depends when we're talking... 10,000 BC is going to be different from 1600 AD
Also, as soon as you're talking about several tribes, there's no guarantee that they were all the same - this is assumed for convenience.

2019-02-09 17:57:48 UTC  

- Specialisation probably reduced conflict e.g. fishermen would not be hunting same buffalo herd as the tribe next door
- so if multiple tribes developed exclusive specialisations, it would minimise risk of genocide and the entire trade network should be seen more akin to how city states worked.

2019-02-09 18:09:35 UTC  

*It's almost like Capitalism is an emergent phenomenon of human behavior...*

'Socialist'

Likes Chairman Mao

2019-02-09 19:25:52 UTC  

Dont forget there was always war, and raids against one another. It wasnt a peaceful utopia.

neither is London in 2019

2019-02-09 21:15:59 UTC  

I don't understand the whole, taking VC funding

Patreon seems likes a ground up kinda thing

2019-02-09 21:23:10 UTC  

getting funding from your fans is nothing new. all patreon did do was making it a little easy for a hefty fee. But at time did pass on they did go around and did borrow insane amount of money for some reason and now the people that did borrow them the money is waning it back. but as they did at the same time go woke and is kicking the wrong thinkers off it site the money coming in is drying up. and after the last week with people not getting any money and patron says, you can have some money in advance it will just cost you 20% of your donation instead of the "normal" 10%

2019-02-09 21:29:16 UTC  

it like your bank refusing to pay you your pay check on time because of "problems" but if you just pay them a extra fee they will fix it for you or you can just wait until we get to it. it may take a week or two extra. it a sure sign that they have no more money left to keep the operation going and if you did have a patron I had recommended you look for a new solution

I don't think their fee is hefty , I think it's fair

2019-02-09 21:39:51 UTC  

they take 5% and the real payment processor take 5%.

2019-02-09 21:41:39 UTC  

but as they are owing a 100 million USD to investors they are looking for ways to make sure they can get a even bigger cut from the creators

2019-02-09 21:43:30 UTC  

and from some reports they are looking at making new creators on patron sign contracts that will make patron the owner of the creators things that he funds via patron, something that will kill them in a instant if they do

2019-02-09 21:47:42 UTC  

I hope it does

2019-02-09 21:47:59 UTC  

I mean, I'm actually worried for a couple of creators on there

2019-02-09 21:50:42 UTC  

https://youtu.be/uRaB6xtAPj8 the patriot news have hit the "norme" channels as well