Message from @Militant

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2019-02-21 19:58:19 UTC  

And it was a totalitarian dictatorship

2019-02-21 19:58:29 UTC  

Ok

2019-02-21 19:58:31 UTC  

So?

2019-02-21 19:58:44 UTC  

yeah. but the dictator wasnt an elite from the proletariat tho.

2019-02-21 19:58:57 UTC  

Still a dictator

2019-02-21 19:59:03 UTC  

Doesn’t make it any better

2019-02-21 19:59:15 UTC  

yeah dosent make it any better. just makes it different.

2019-02-21 20:01:31 UTC  

I think most forms of central planning/centralization/consolidation of power in the world for the last ~100 years are/were bad because the planning committees are run by either A) fucktard mouth breathers, B) Criminals/subversives or C) both

2019-02-21 20:01:44 UTC  

I didn’t say he was a communist

2019-02-21 20:01:50 UTC  

Socialism isn’t communism

2019-02-21 20:02:07 UTC  

Socialism is seizing the means of production

2019-02-21 20:02:16 UTC  

Which is gay

2019-02-21 20:04:34 UTC  

what I was thinking about with hitler vs stalin, ideologically, is that they seemed to be under the same/similar ideological umbrella of centrally planned, command and control nonsense (which I, perhaps incorrectly, labelled socialism?)... I think?

2019-02-21 20:05:10 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/548233745489199144/image0.jpg

2019-02-21 20:05:43 UTC  

socialism is the means to get to communism. (and what you said)

2019-02-21 20:06:15 UTC  

Nah

2019-02-21 20:06:31 UTC  

Being a communist is the means to get to communism

2019-02-21 20:07:01 UTC  

yes. communism in marx book is when every individual stops thinking about themselves, and cares about the collective good. socialism is the way to get to a communist society.

2019-02-21 20:07:17 UTC  

socialism is the gateway

2019-02-21 20:07:22 UTC  

I mean Marx had many good points

2019-02-21 20:07:27 UTC  

Not about communism

2019-02-21 20:07:32 UTC  

with the end goal being totalitarian communism/statism

2019-02-21 20:07:45 UTC  

But critiques of capitalism and how workers should be treated to make society better

2019-02-21 20:07:49 UTC  

and in his view, you need to turn people into communists. you do this by either reforming the system slowly, or revolution. and you need to foster the population into communism.

2019-02-21 20:08:02 UTC  

His critiques helped end the problems with capitalism

2019-02-21 20:08:08 UTC  

which is what I think is happening in the US now

2019-02-21 20:08:13 UTC  

or has been for hte last several decades

2019-02-21 20:08:34 UTC  

he could've been right, had he foreseen the massive global trade.

2019-02-21 20:08:43 UTC  

he believed there would be another revolution.

2019-02-21 20:08:45 UTC  
2019-02-21 20:08:57 UTC  

where the workers would rise against the company owners.

2019-02-21 20:09:03 UTC  

It’s actually very interesting

2019-02-21 20:09:08 UTC  

Watch the video

2019-02-21 20:09:11 UTC  

It’s ten mins

2019-02-21 20:09:19 UTC  

I might have seen it. I watch TSL quite often.

2019-02-21 20:09:24 UTC  

I'll watch it again

2019-02-21 20:24:48 UTC  

interesting video - maybe Marx hadn't contemplated how massively corruptible societies can be... that the poor/working class would generally do the exact same things that the rich would do if given the opportunity

2019-02-21 20:25:37 UTC  

great vid. it was worth the rewatch.

2019-02-21 20:28:19 UTC  

like AOC or rutger bregman talking about soaking the rich rather than looking at the issues of governance (and the natural corruptibility thereof) that allowed the rich to attain their positions in the first place.

2019-02-21 20:29:02 UTC  

1 Brexiter (Ella Whelan) and 4 Remain on this week's panel, imagine my shock...
https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1098628567167045632

2019-02-21 20:30:04 UTC  

"journalist"