exactly

your experience of muslims is the truth to you, some muslimis might feel differently and that is the truth to them but both can't be facts

Certain truths are facts
But I get your point

your frame of reference prevents you from deciding what the facts are

if something is written in the Qu'ran... it is a fact that it is in the Qu'ran... whether or not people accept it is a question of their faith

not all christian take the bible 1:1 so it's not inconceivable that some muslims feel the same way about their holy epoch

faith isn't fact

Every Muslim I know is not interested in following the books of the dark ages... very secular in that regard

but do you know every muslim?

@Jabba are protestants real christians?

flip a coin

there are no real Christians

nothing is black & white

@TwinVickers but if the Muslims I refer to went to somewhere like Pakistan, I do not think they would leave alive

The modern paradigm of what we consider religion does not seems to line up with what was considered religion for the past thousands of years.

true

well you've previously said that there are no moderate muslims so i'm not sure what you're on about anyway

and the people trying to resurect the "traditional ways" are usually more extreme than they were back in the past, because they are weaponising it agaisnt something they want to resist.

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It's a question of phrasing -

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- I could say there are Orthodox Muslims and apostates... simples, ISIS would agree

that doesn't mean Muslims in the West agree

iran was nice in the eighties

History whitewashes things

The Deus Vult motherfuckers would be just as bad from a Christian perspective, but thankfully they don't have the balls to actually do anything.

Sadly the west is too busy caring about a few dozen dead Muslims and not the raping of hundreds of their daughters and pillaging of their nations through welfare

Tehran university students 1960s
https://i.imgur.com/ycNLa60.jpg

Catholic Guilt Complex has been replaced in atheist times by White Guilt

the difference is Catholic guilt was a personal thing - White guilt covers everyone, whether you did anything wrong or not

religion left but orinal sin stayed

The original sin was putting individualism above social cohesion.

some of these people treat their ideology very much like others would their religion

i think i have already sent this?

i dunno

Maajid desperately trying to derail a caller that compared Islam in Europe to what happened to native Americans when white man arrived, LOL

worst part about that post I sent is its has some truth to it

Change my mind

god is dead, we asked 100 people who among you is the murderer of the original murderer

don't say things like that - I'll have Marilyn Manson playing in my head for the rest of the day, LOL

"Truth" twisted by an agenda. Their religion destroyed whatever hope their "region" had to begin with.