Message from @Jabba
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libtard destroyed epic style
i believe you are conversing about truth instead of facts
truth is subjective
exactly
your experience of muslims is the truth to you, some muslimis might feel differently and that is the truth to them but both can't be facts
Certain truths are facts
But I get your point
your frame of reference prevents you from deciding what the facts are
if something is written in the Qu'ran... it is a fact that it is in the Qu'ran... whether or not people accept it is a question of their faith
not all christian take the bible 1:1 so it's not inconceivable that some muslims feel the same way about their holy epoch
faith isn't fact
Every Muslim I know is not interested in following the books of the dark ages... very secular in that regard
but do you know every muslim?
@Jabba are protestants real christians?
flip a coin
there are no real Christians
nothing is black & white
@TwinVickers but if the Muslims I refer to went to somewhere like Pakistan, I do not think they would leave alive
The modern paradigm of what we consider religion does not seems to line up with what was considered religion for the past thousands of years.
true
well you've previously said that there are no moderate muslims so i'm not sure what you're on about anyway
and the people trying to resurect the "traditional ways" are usually more extreme than they were back in the past, because they are weaponising it agaisnt something they want to resist.
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It's a question of phrasing -
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- I could say there are Orthodox Muslims and apostates... simples, ISIS would agree
that doesn't mean Muslims in the West agree
iran was nice in the eighties
History whitewashes things
The Deus Vult motherfuckers would be just as bad from a Christian perspective, but thankfully they don't have the balls to actually do anything.
Sadly the west is too busy caring about a few dozen dead Muslims and not the raping of hundreds of their daughters and pillaging of their nations through welfare
Tehran university students 1960s
https://i.imgur.com/ycNLa60.jpg
Catholic Guilt Complex has been replaced in atheist times by White Guilt
the difference is Catholic guilt was a personal thing - White guilt covers everyone, whether you did anything wrong or not
religion left but orinal sin stayed
The original sin was putting individualism above social cohesion.
some of these people treat their ideology very much like others would their religion
i think i have already sent this?
i dunno
Maajid desperately trying to derail a caller that compared Islam in Europe to what happened to native Americans when white man arrived, LOL
worst part about that post I sent is its has some truth to it
Change my mind