Message from @EnderOctanus

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2019-02-07 05:27:00 UTC  

dogma exists in literally every human endeavor

2019-02-07 05:27:29 UTC  

I mean it *can* but I wouod not say it *does*.

2019-02-07 05:27:33 UTC  

and dogma isn't a core component of religion

2019-02-07 05:28:04 UTC  

it's a byproduct of people being people

2019-02-07 05:28:16 UTC  

It always seems to come with it, so my solution is simple. Get rid of the thing that is always bringing the other thing.

2019-02-07 05:28:36 UTC  

then you may as well get rid of science and philosophy, because they are also plagued with dogma

2019-02-07 05:28:46 UTC  

also economics

2019-02-07 05:28:54 UTC  

I don't think you can get rid of it but you get my point

2019-02-07 05:29:05 UTC  

Peopoe shoukd resist the subversion

2019-02-07 05:29:21 UTC  

yes but what I'm saying is don't throw the baby out with the bathwater

2019-02-07 05:29:46 UTC  

And if the baby wants to kill everyone?

2019-02-07 05:29:57 UTC  

religion is a specific tool, just like science and philosophy, and politics, and every other dimension of the human spirit

2019-02-07 05:30:01 UTC  

Except ots parents

2019-02-07 05:30:08 UTC  

and they all can produce dogma, and they all can become murderous

2019-02-07 05:30:41 UTC  

the Frankfurt School was not a religious school

2019-02-07 05:30:42 UTC  

Yes and look at Islam. It needs very badly to not exist, for the sake of my OWN existence.

2019-02-07 05:30:58 UTC  

Eugenics is not based on the foundation of a deity

2019-02-07 05:31:18 UTC  

any dimension of human pursuit can fall victim to ignorance and dogma

2019-02-07 05:31:23 UTC  

You make your own deity at that point, the ideal person.

2019-02-07 05:31:34 UTC  

and if you pick favorites then you are falling victim to your own personal dogma

2019-02-07 05:31:49 UTC  

Self defense is not dogma.

2019-02-07 05:32:11 UTC  

They literally listen to people that tell them that I need to die.

2019-02-07 05:32:42 UTC  

you believe something to be true even though you do not possess the capacity to know it, and even in defiance of evidence to the contrary

2019-02-07 05:32:53 UTC  

you can say it is in self defense, that doesn't change the fact

2019-02-07 05:33:21 UTC  

I am prepared to retaliate reciprocally. If they advocate my destruction, I shall advocate theirs. If they leave me alone, good, I don't care.

2019-02-07 05:34:55 UTC  

it's useful to say a gun is always loaded, but it's also more truthful to understand that as being subjective over realistic

2019-02-07 05:35:28 UTC  

I want them to quit talking about taking action against apostates. Because when one listens to the words of a religion, they tend to feel compelled to agree.

2019-02-07 05:35:33 UTC  

that's the line I draw in the sand between a religious belief and dogmatic belief

2019-02-07 05:36:19 UTC  

and yes Islam is a textbook example of a dogmatic political structure

2019-02-07 05:36:39 UTC  

Communism is also another example

2019-02-07 05:36:44 UTC  

When a religion goes into detail about HOW to kill me, I do not need convincing that it means it literally as a manual of operation.

2019-02-07 05:37:46 UTC  

Buddhists are weird but they tend to not kill many people, at least no more than we usually do already, so I don't care what they do.

2019-02-07 05:37:57 UTC  

although communism is more political than religious, it is still fully dogmatic

2019-02-07 05:38:17 UTC  

Depends on what you think religion is,

2019-02-07 05:39:11 UTC  

the ritual action of a belief

2019-02-07 05:39:32 UTC  

Then most things are religion.

2019-02-07 05:39:47 UTC  

it's best to understand that sooner rather than later

2019-02-07 05:40:13 UTC  

We don't exercise conscious thought for many tasks once we learn how to perform them. We essentially perform rituals all day.

2019-02-07 05:41:49 UTC  

Yes we do, we perform all kinds of rituals in pursuit of an ideal

2019-02-07 05:41:49 UTC  

We do not consider how or why it worked, but we got the result, so we continue with the ritual, fully believing that it will always get us the good result. This leads to a loss of caution over time.

2019-02-07 05:43:55 UTC  

I believe in balance. Not in a Buddhist way, or Taoist. But pragmatically. I do however believe in ideas that are so beneficial to humanity as a whole that I am perfectly willing to fight and die for them, irrationally.