Ultimately, environment produced genes.

nurture IS nature

you can find simple protein anywhere in space

@BabygottBach RNA came from doing your mom doing your mom

yes...

The environment was here long before genes were.

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nature is nurture, yes

isn't nurture product or nature?

yes

ofc

chicken or egg

we're not talking about air temperature

So whoever was attributing primacy to genes in the gene environment relation has it completely backwards.

@BabygottBach it's entirely related, the relation is the display of the fact that genetic variations can exist within species that significantly and observable create vast disparities in their abilities and behaviours based on genetic predispositions

@that explains the massive and rapid shifts in history? absolutely not.

the man made environment, not the CO2 in the air from a belching volcano

Yes it does

It does exactly that

@BabygottBach genetic biochemistry is basically the same as machine learning you have experiment that works and some that fails

it doesn't change anything to understand environment came first, the point of the gene-environemnt relation model is to show enviroment changes genes changes environment

but genes can lead you to living next to an active volcano

No, it quite literally does not, unless you are proposing that genes of a population somehow shifts at breakneck pae.

ban volcanoes

or a place not suitable for agriculture

genes can lead u there too

How does it presume that? @BabygottBach

If you are a student of history, you would know of the rapid rises and falls of different cultures and civilizations.

Yes

And?

I'm really butthurt that we can't get catgirls without a revolutionary phenotype

it's not fair bros

@BabygottBach When did African civilization rise?

If genes account for these rapid changes, theen they would also need to change just as rapidly

@canadagamer9, multiple civilizations existed in Africa

@BabygottBach we are aware of it, and your ideology is contributing to the fall of ours

catgirls?

Well genes can shift an breakneck pace. Imagine killing off everyone above 6 foot each generation for 400 years. Now think what would happen if we did the same to criminals. Culture accelerates evolution.

@BabygottBach no they wouldn't need to change just as rapidly lmfao

@BabygottBach When did Bantu civilization rise?

that's a cat women