Message from @troglodytes

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2019-11-02 08:49:33 UTC  

as in, it doesn't produce good for the people there and then, and long term

2019-11-02 08:49:44 UTC  

You break through pragmatism with miracles

2019-11-02 08:49:46 UTC  

and then there is the hegelian master slave dialectic and all that jazz

2019-11-02 08:49:50 UTC  

its metaphysical aspect of the spirit and other similar things that different religions talk about

2019-11-02 08:49:53 UTC  

its real

2019-11-02 08:49:56 UTC  

In the long term, that's maybe it

2019-11-02 08:50:11 UTC  

@Banjod How are you defining good?

2019-11-02 08:50:16 UTC  

personal revelation through god

2019-11-02 08:50:21 UTC  

"god"

2019-11-02 08:50:22 UTC  

Health?

2019-11-02 08:50:25 UTC  

but what if someone rapes a woman,
results in a baby,
that baby goes on to cure cancer and save a billion lives..
so ultimately was the rape good?

2019-11-02 08:50:26 UTC  

or what not

2019-11-02 08:50:26 UTC  

good outcome for you and your people

2019-11-02 08:50:26 UTC  

A system needs justification before pragmatism can be bound inside of it

2019-11-02 08:50:29 UTC  

on average

2019-11-02 08:50:51 UTC  

you can only rape if you can get away with it

2019-11-02 08:50:53 UTC  

Let's say someone came on the scene who just walked through a hospital healing hundreds of people

2019-11-02 08:51:01 UTC  

Instant religious base

2019-11-02 08:51:06 UTC  

which is only under very rare circumstances

2019-11-02 08:51:13 UTC  

you're asking me to describe a billion things at the same time @Trommm

2019-11-02 08:51:15 UTC  

liek during suc cesfukl geniocides

2019-11-02 08:51:18 UTC  

@troglodytes Rape is pointless if you don't have the power to keep the mother from aborting.

2019-11-02 08:51:35 UTC  

@Banjod Just define one word.

2019-11-02 08:51:39 UTC  

well, that is why you rape in excess tromm

2019-11-02 08:51:43 UTC  

no, that word is a billion things

2019-11-02 08:51:52 UTC  

you're asking me to describe everything good

2019-11-02 08:52:34 UTC  

Ban, lol

2019-11-02 08:52:43 UTC  

genghis khan was the ultimate chad because of how much seed he spread. Sure some killed themselves and so forth, but in the grand scheme of things, he had a lot of offspring

2019-11-02 08:52:50 UTC  

You define what is pragmatic by defining the system
And treating the rest as a black box
The initial input is what is needed as justification
i.e. a miracle I think

2019-11-02 08:53:07 UTC  

all justification is ad hoc

2019-11-02 08:53:16 UTC  

@Deleted User A miracle is outside that

2019-11-02 08:53:18 UTC  

the idea is if you behave in a way that deeply hurts people, they eventuially will get rid of you

2019-11-02 08:53:20 UTC  

It's not rational

2019-11-02 08:53:21 UTC  

you know objective morality exists, most likely, just by pure honesty. If objective morality didn't exist, you would honestly think someone talking about fking banas are on teh same level as eating healthy foods

2019-11-02 08:53:22 UTC  

It's a fact

2019-11-02 08:53:23 UTC  

thats morals

2019-11-02 08:53:26 UTC  

Or perception

2019-11-02 08:53:30 UTC  

@TheUserNameofPeace we agree here yes

2019-11-02 08:53:38 UTC  

I am defending miracles

2019-11-02 08:53:45 UTC  

But it's a miracle by way of breaking outside of normal day to day causality

2019-11-02 08:53:46 UTC  

no one sane or decent thinks that