Message from @glamp

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2019-11-07 05:09:59 UTC  

We know 3 million genes of difference with name and location and all

2019-11-07 05:10:18 UTC  

Cant wait for lewontins refutation

2019-11-07 05:10:42 UTC  

The Lewontins Fallacy doesnt challenge Lewontin’s claim that the between group differences were small, it challenged if you can genetically cluster populations meaningfully.

2019-11-07 05:10:57 UTC  

Jewontin's fallacy

2019-11-07 05:11:20 UTC  

@Yek I promise you don't truly understand Lewontin

2019-11-07 05:11:32 UTC  

Fst = (Ht-Hs)/Ht

2019-11-07 05:11:44 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/641867362672312320/1-1.png

2019-11-07 05:12:23 UTC  

Im lazy so ill copy paste
 "However small the racial partition of the total variation may be, if such racial characteristics as there are highly correlate with other racial characteristics, they are by definition informative, and therefore of taxonomic significance."

2019-11-07 05:12:28 UTC  

Dawkins i think

2019-11-07 05:12:31 UTC  

Forgot

2019-11-07 05:12:39 UTC  
2019-11-07 05:12:46 UTC  

id love to have scientific names for them

2019-11-07 05:12:51 UTC  

Oh no! Discredited!

2019-11-07 05:12:54 UTC  

negroidus dindonuffinus

2019-11-07 05:13:06 UTC  

So there is a highish fixation rate amongst humans, for one @Yek

2019-11-07 05:13:13 UTC  

That points to valid subspecies

2019-11-07 05:13:20 UTC  

poous indaloous

2019-11-07 05:13:30 UTC  

Further, we don't even determine subspeciation by fixation rates

2019-11-07 05:13:36 UTC  

```A highly cited 1999 paper by the geneticist Alan Templeton claimed that requiring that a subspecies have an Fst value of at least 25%-30% is “standard in the nonhuman literature” (Templeton 1999). Templeton, who uses this claim to argue against the existence of human races, cites the 1997 paper “Subspecies and Classification” by Smith, Chiszar, and Montanucci, to substantiate that this Fst standard is common place in biology (Smith, Chiszar, and Montanucci, 1997.). But Smith et al. 1997 never even mentions Fst values! It appears that Templeton assumed that this is what Smith et al 1997 meant when they wrote that subspecies cannot “overlap in variation of their differentiae” by more than 25%-30%. This is almost surely not a reference to Fst values. Instead, this paper was referencing the so called “75% rule”, which is criteria of subspecies which stated that a population would count as a sub-speices if you could analyze the traits of organisms in the species and, on this basis, predict whether or not they were a member of the proposed subspecies with an error rate of 25% or less. There are several reasons for thinking that Smith et al. 1997 were referring to the 75% rule and not an Fst based criteria for subspecies:```

2019-11-07 05:13:44 UTC  

@fuguer we are still same species (by modern definitions) so they wont have a separate name

2019-11-07 05:13:46 UTC  

anyone who can look at a group of europeans and at a group of abos and tell you with a straight face that there's no meaningful distinction is a liar or a retard

2019-11-07 05:14:15 UTC  

it's like denying that the sky is blue

2019-11-07 05:15:01 UTC  

Holy fuck MMW

2019-11-07 05:15:07 UTC  

Great argument

2019-11-07 05:15:25 UTC  

It's Alt Hypes, but I did study enough to understand

2019-11-07 05:15:41 UTC  

Because Lewontin's Fallacy is literally the only thing the race deniers have

2019-11-07 05:15:49 UTC  

It's their single argument

2019-11-07 05:15:59 UTC  

And it's invalided doubly

2019-11-07 05:16:06 UTC  

Both by fixation rates in other species

2019-11-07 05:16:24 UTC  

And by the fact that we don't even establish sub-species in other species by fixation rates

2019-11-07 05:16:34 UTC  

Biologists literally do it through observation

2019-11-07 05:16:43 UTC  

living environment and behavior

2019-11-07 05:16:44 UTC  

etc

2019-11-07 05:17:10 UTC  

@TheUserNameofPeace This is where you fall apart tho, and its probably the weakest arguement you can make.

To quote Jeffery Long:
" Specifically, human population structure strongly biases the outcome of analyses by violating two assumptions: first, that expected genetic diversity is the same in every population; and second, that divergence between all pairs of populations is equal and independent."

Like the picture of the FST values you posted that has those cited papers using genetic levels to support subspecies classifications, they all apply genetic technology to systems that have previously described subspecies and then look at the genetic differentiation between those groupings. Basically, they can only describe the differences between the already identified categories.

The problem with you in particualar is that you see a blog with citations then assume its making the claim the blog is making, so please stop.

2019-11-07 05:17:16 UTC  

Guys you ready to see trve aryan worship?

2019-11-07 05:17:35 UTC  

MAGA

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/641868835590242309/1573093891512.jpg

2019-11-07 05:18:27 UTC  

@Punished Arditi lol you have to a crazy methed out back roll into poop to be a hindi

2019-11-07 05:18:32 UTC  

<:monkaS:299267496668692493>

2019-11-07 05:18:35 UTC  

@Yek You are literally trying to argue there against the totality of Science

2019-11-07 05:18:40 UTC  

Science is stats