the arguments are way more sophisticated then these caricature internet summaries present them as

hahaha science faggots hahahahahaha

*guffaw*

thats reasonable glamp

you can present them someday

why does one not make sense though? It's basically saying whatever force that caused the big bang, was god

no

implying the big bang exists

it literally doesnt not say that

what caused god then?

thats the caricature

implying we could ever know the truth of the creation of the universe

that woudl be a really silly argument for god

hahahaha fools

argument isnt even about that

i am the truth and the way

the whole point of the argument is to explain the existence of change

believe in me and you shall have eternal life

the existence of change requires an unchanging changer. nothing to do with particles moving around, nothing to do with the universe having a beginning

change doesnt require an unchanging changer

in fact, change doesnt really occur

its not liek the past disappears

he's right, whether in a spiritual realm or through your descendents if you follow the foundations laid down in jesus's teachings your genes will live forever

its a multidimensional topological structure of the universe

time isnt like some slidebook flipping pages

i could argue the universe is in fact unchanging and time is an illusion caused by our perspective

well, firstly i think you're wrong about the physics there. i understand the implications of relativity. but you need to factor in qm. the b theory of time isnt correct

but even if that were true, no sane individual could accept that change is an illusion

we suspect time shoudl be quantized just like space

physics doesnt exist, the shit i take in your yard doesnt fall to the ground because of gravity

prove me wrong <:vargsmug:639999539192922123>

consider loop quantum gravity and spin networks

or consider the spacetime configuration of the universe as a high dimensional hilbert/fock space

time and space are emergent from the structure of the configuration space

<https://motls.blogspot.com/2008/05/presentism-vs-eternalism.html>

"This conclusion means that the spacetime including all the events that have actually happened - and that will happen - cannot be interpreted as a coherent block that obeys unambiguous laws. The "free will" they derive means that the outcome of an experiment done "now" is not a function of things in the past. In this sense, the results of these experiments are "really" decided now. They were not decided in the past."

from first glance of those rules, none of them are strong

or proofs

but yea, even if you were right about the physics. i wouldnt concede that change doesnt exist

nothing is strong, except the light of Odin

thats something a crazy person would say