Yup we're making the same point

You'd be harming them by doing that, helping them to harm themselves

The doctors who perform the operations should be punished.

@Trommm same with abortions

But not retroactively though

based

Abortions are a bit trickier. Children have a parent who is responsible for them.

children don't happen out of the blue

there is no abortion

only murder

Yes
And if the parent hires a hitman
The hitman should be punished alongside the parent

which is why there is nothing lost, when a murder bleeds to death in a so called underground abortion

Abortion is killing another life form, but that life form belongs to the parents.

only karmic justice

OH, CALI WAGE SLAVE,
ALWAYS DEPRAVED
SPRINT TO THE GRAVE

or is there a human right to sex without consequences?

and why don't incels have it?

Not reproducing is the harshest punishment you could give to someone who kills their own children, so it's a self solving problem imo. A non issue.

The parents don't own the child

Children can not own themselves until they are old enough to feed themselves. And the state doesn't own them.

Sterilise the parents if you wanna stop them reproducing

imagine what a shit being one has to be, having all those options to not become pregnant, to still get into a situation in which abortion is needed

Nobody owns them

>and why don't incels have it?
These are the right questions.

The social engineers organizing the global culture have the stated intention of making human beings passive entities without any form of agency or self-control

But we have a moral duty to decrease the probability of the death of other humans

and it's insulting to responsible women too, attributing a responsibility level to the whole sex below what we attribute to kids

@Pine Gang 🌲 I'm sorry to break this to you, but the love Christians feel for Jews is one-sided

I don't think abortion should be encouraged. And it is murder. But murdering your own family line is the definition of a self correcting problem.

If you try to apply responsibility to someone they throw their hands up and cry victim saying "You're judging me!"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-015-1867-2

There are just a few. There are more

That lack of responsibility is being encouraged by the culture

and those three cases in which pro abortion could be argued, those can be resolved with adoption

It's not your fault, it's that you're an oppressed minority, people aren't accepting you, etc

the silencing of roe is another topic

which might be better explained by an american

I believe we have a moral duty to promote social standards that limit suffering as well as maximise the long term pleasure for all sentient beings

I agree

Based bodhisattva motivation

I can do that by killing you in your sleep

I am a rule utilitarian