all current religions are flawed compendiums of wisdom

Religion grounds itself on a a set of empirically falsifiable beliefs that any edgy 13 yo could refute

That's a flaw you can't ignore

Yes

Everyone is religious

You're using semantics tautologies

God can't die coz "he" is an intrinsic social function of the human brain

Presuming that our sensory input has patterns is a methodological presupposition

We exist in our minds and simply receive sensory inputs from which we detect correlations

The naming process is a computational process that happens in our minds

And computational processes exist

@The Living Paradox you can deconstruct languages into simpler languages

That relate to the sensory inputs we receive in a more efficient way

We detect correlations in the sensory input then label them

Then construct more complex abstractions through deductive and inductive reasoning
Then label those abstractions as well

And that's language

> anglos and americans, always remember, this is what your ancestors fought for
@Markomann

Trans folk are gay cross dressers that chop of organs

Nah

I agree then

Once a trans guys is 100% indistinguishable from a female
Then they can fit in

Transgenderism is a mental illness

And making a 100% functional switch through surgery is a possible treatment that allows them to fit with the social order

Making a gender switch through surgery doesn't seem to help much given the suicide rate

It's a mental issue

And I am not opposed to people making the switch so long as they don't violate the social order

But it just doesn't seem to work

@Big Ben their suicide rate is closer to folks with mental illness

Their internal model of what they look like doesn't match the feedback that reality gives them

If your internal model of reality doesn't match your sensory experience
Then You have a mental illness
When you have a mental illness you can get depressed and confused

True

But it's not compassionate to tell a patient with psychosis that the demons in his head are real

Yup we're making the same point

@Trommm same with abortions

But not retroactively though

Yes
And if the parent hires a hitman
The hitman should be punished alongside the parent

The parents don't own the child

Sterilise the parents if you wanna stop them reproducing

Nobody owns them

But we have a moral duty to decrease the probability of the death of other humans

I believe we have a moral duty to promote social standards that limit suffering as well as maximise the long term pleasure for all sentient beings

> I can do that by killing you in your sleep
@iippo
You would be promoting the opposite of that

It's not just about you do
It's also about what you promote

> I am a rule utilitarian
@Big Ben
I am kinda into propertarianism so we're not far off

> @Ed Yep. Are you vegan too? Or atleast an animal welfarist?
@Big Ben
I want to limit the suffering of animals
But if my diet requires a substance I can only acquire through killing another animal
Then I would kill that animal

> Children don't deserve to have to grow up in this messed up world
@Hermitage
Homesteads are the best way to go

Attention is attention

And not enough guys have standards

They either have unrealistic standards relative to their sexual market value
Or they can't compete with the rest of the women that are available to the men they are interested in

Or both

Technically they are by definition

But the barriers could be psychological and mutable

Rather than it just being their looks

Oof

That's tough

> What is the word for women I have no interest if fucking?
@WonderNab(Copepilled)
Trans

> They either have unrealistic standards relative to their sexual market value
> Or they can't compete with the rest of the women that are available to the men they are interested in

Most Men have preferences but no standards
Women have standards, and preferences within the subset of people that meet their standards

I think the legal system makes it impossible to marry a woman without the potential of it turning parasitic

In the west anyway

Everything you see is the natural product of a full franchise democracy

Consumers can use elections to Rob the producers of their wealth

@TuerSchlossEnteiser A grateful leech is still a leech

> if it's the truth, then why just complain about it?
@stem
You have to articulate how the current reality diverges from the ideal reality if you wish to move forward

Where what came from? @stem

I get that we have to be pragmatic in how we pick our ideals

And that we have to make the best of a bad situation

But it's still necessary to point out that the current social order is dysgenic

Women aren't nice

Or horrible

@stem the romantic ideal that is being promoted doesn't take into account the difference between the sexes

> Sterilization?
@Big Ben
Financially incentivising disabled people to stop passing their misery to their offspring

> men aren't always "nice" either
@stem
Sure
And they don't have to be
Neither do women
They have to be responsible though

> they are expecting too much
@stem OK that's where we disagree

The current legal framework financially incentivises women to act on their worst instincts

We have to expect more

And shame those who fall short

I understand why they do what they do
And that is specifically why I want it to be inhibited through legal and social means

I am not black pilled if that's what you're thinking

Humans are animals

And women are very specialised

Women evolved to care for a genetically similar group of retarded midgets that we call kids

While a central authority (the husband) provides resources

When you let them vote

They replace the husband with the government

And the retarded midgets
With brown people

Women aren't broken

They're just doing what they evolved to do on a large scale

@TuerSchlossEnteiser

> Women evolved to care for a genetically similar group of retarded midgets that we call kids
> While a central authority (the husband) provides resources
> When you let them vote
> They replace the husband with the government
> And the retarded midgets
> With brown people

Women aren't broken
they're just highly specialised

^

Women are not broken they're just highly specialised in tasks that don't scale well if applied to the whole country

Men and women are specialised in different tasks

Modern demoralised women would be worthless without their bottom half

But they weren't always like that

OK fair point @WonderNab(Copepilled)

Nah nihilism is gay

Consciousness is just a computational process

We must retake control of the channels of information

All channels of communication are controlled for wrongthink

There is nothing free about free will

You're limited by the brains processing ability and the information that you receive

Most people are divorced from logos and therefore act purely on instinct

In that sense most humans aren't worthy of their title