Well it's a different tax rate but it's still taxes

tax on your income..
not tax on the market value of your house

collective ownership can be created if many different individuals come together and decide to come in a voluntary covenant

that is their decision

I'm just saying that in any system that dosen't regard property as an absolute, dosen't regard the person as an absolute, as property is ultimately a manifestation of a labour of an individual, and if sombody has the right over the product of his labour, he can do with it as he pleases.

oh yeah, if you ask the average westerner what they think of somebody's family who insists that their organs not be harvested after death, even though it could save a 10 year old kid, look at what people's reactions will be

that illusion of yours will collapse pretty quick

a fisherman payed a percent of his fish
a farmer a percent of crops or he worked hours for free
or he was drafted in war ..etc

Err

Well, that's not the case here

Never heard of that

the serf tax was set to their labour..
not their houses

Dab on 10 year olds

Don't be an organ donor

if you ask the average westerner what you think of kicking faygets off society

they will also react negatively

property isn't absolute, common good isn't absolute, its a balancing act, and there isn't a comprehensive, axiomatic system- people just go off of their gut instincts

does that make POZ a western value?

I known.

But still

Through might, you make them absolute.

you are just a communist

whats balancing act

it will balance itself out automatically

westerners believe in BOTH property and common good, even though they are ***absolutely contradictory***

You can dominate, and rule and decree this so, and Communists can rule and do the opposite, and actually mandate organ harvesting.

Collective ownership =collective responsibility

you can have property and as a side effect people work for common good

yes you're saying that the law is the law

whats the problem?

collective ownership is RETARDED

That's why you need to tip the scales.

yeah we have law, and this often *roughly* represents our values as a society

Is anyone here advocating for collective ownership?

collective ownership can work if done in a voluntary covenant where rights and obligations are carefully stipulated

yes

It's a balancing act because democracy is about pleasing everyone, or giving off the illusion of doing so.

Who?

that is allowed

because flat hierachy doesnt work
and people need to manage their own property
and take individual responsibility