at least he tries and pretends to be devout

@Deleted User the specific objection I brought up about Nick was his argument for Catholicism reducing it to a tool for his political goals

it's an appealing argument, but it's wrong

yeah sounds about right

he is just a rich kid with too much time on his hands larping as a catholic for political support

its not entirely womens fault that society is constantly brainwashing them

Mennonites

I feel a year with them would do me alot of good

not saying I would convert but I would definitely put my heart into it

Civnat arguments make me sad

@vazorium So let me get this strait.
Its wrong to use Catholicisms results as an argument because thats bad for your soul but teaming up with a completely alien religion is a ok because of the potential results ?

if protestants, or muslims, or jews, etc are marching in droves down on Washington to oppose gay marriage it isn't wrong to pick up a sign and march with them @Techpriest of house Roundeye

You said team up. Not "be in the same place at the same time" You and I both know they are not going to do that march on their own

"team up" as in advocate for a cause that benefits the common good, not join or embrace or even be indifferent towards their religion

How is that any different from the current state of affairs? They oppose gay marriage and we oppose gay marriage.

The only difference you could theoretically advocate for in that model is to drop the opposition to Islam or Judaism which is not something that is going to happen

Not in this case there is not.

@vazorium Infiltration: The Plot to Destroy the Church from Within https://g.co/kgs/KZSCuY

Your not talking about working with Muslims like on a project. Your talking about joining sides in a political fight. Both Muslims and Christians have polar opposite political viewpoints. Just because they line up on a few points does not eliminate those.

@MicMac I'll check it out later

"It took nearly two millennia for the enemies of the Catholic Church to realize they could not successfully attack the Church from the outside. Indeed, countless nemeses from Nero to Napoleon succeeded only in creating sympathy and martyrs for our Catholic Faith. .."

Ok brother

They demand a theocracy as a form of government as lvl one of them holding political power.
And in their version of theocracy, other religions are de-facto second class citizens. Now if you want Christians to join the side of people that want them literally converted on subservient, thats a pretty hard sell

@vazorium https://www.youtube.com/user/onearmsteve4192

I listen to a lot sermons from Western Priests here. Good stuff

I've seen some of their videos before, agreed

Lets also not forget the separate legal system that they follow and the fact that Islam mean "submission" which pretty much sums up their attitudes towards everyone both inside and outside of their faith

@Techpriest of house Roundeye yeah, but muslims who live in America and have lived in America for generations want nothing to do with that

so...why would it be always wrong to work with muslims in the political sphere?

I want numbers on that.

I lived next to Michigan, I know American muslims

That part of them not wanting all the things prescribed in Islam is BS

what stats do you want specifically?

How many muslims in the US are even 3rd generation and still muslim and how many of them want or dont want some of the above mentioned in Islamic teachings

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocharians

Neat

wut

The "radical muslims should join with American conservatives" argument is literally a leftist meme that Bill Maher uses all the time

I never said "radical" muslims

Well the regular muslims are not going to agree with you.