Message from @Mr. Byzantium

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2019-03-12 15:54:43 UTC  

And who is going to be the absolute monarch?

2019-03-12 15:54:51 UTC  

They could hate God in their heart but outwardly preform rituals

2019-03-12 15:55:02 UTC  

That is like saying that "forced determination that murder is wrong is not actual determination"

2019-03-12 15:55:05 UTC  

@Daniil God works that out in ways

2019-03-12 15:55:40 UTC  

But thats not how real life works

2019-03-12 15:55:42 UTC  

Again, democracy. "maybe they will not like it, but they will understand they have to vote for it"

2019-03-12 15:56:32 UTC  

I was okay with fascism up until a few months ago. What changed my mind of Jay Dyer’s talks and how fascism isn’t exactly even a total rejection of the enlightenment theory

2019-03-12 15:56:57 UTC  

@Daniil See Constantine the Great

2019-03-12 15:57:17 UTC  

Fascism is a rejection of the rule of the majority

2019-03-12 15:57:42 UTC  

Fascist leaders need to give into the church as well

2019-03-12 15:57:49 UTC  

They are not above the church

2019-03-12 15:58:04 UTC  

I don’t see that being a thing

2019-03-12 15:58:08 UTC  

I guess Christianity isn't good, since Christianity didn't protect us perfectly from the elightement theory happening, which means it didn't reject it completely.

2019-03-12 15:58:20 UTC  

Dude, Franco

2019-03-12 15:58:29 UTC  

Orthodoxy has always rejected the Enlightenment

2019-03-12 15:58:44 UTC  

Franco was Catholic and a threat to Orthodoxy

2019-03-12 15:59:03 UTC  

What happens when I disavow Catholicism?

2019-03-12 15:59:16 UTC  

And the pope?

2019-03-12 15:59:16 UTC  

I don't even understand what that mess is supposed to be

2019-03-12 15:59:45 UTC  

Do you really think that your dear countries where there are no orthodox do not share the same "rights" and "democracy" and "enlightement" nonsense?

2019-03-12 16:00:11 UTC  

Do you thinks Orthodox monks are big fans of democracy?

2019-03-12 16:00:31 UTC  

Do you really think 99% of them aren't?

2019-03-12 16:00:34 UTC  

Monasteries are what really connect heaven and earth

2019-03-12 16:01:07 UTC  

What is that supposed to mean in this context?

2019-03-12 16:01:46 UTC  

That monasteries keep tradition pure and are not as nearly as corrupted as the outside world. They will hold to correct understanding of the world

2019-03-12 16:02:05 UTC  

And what does that have to do with anything?

2019-03-12 16:02:28 UTC  

That your claims of Orthodoxy being Enlightenment crazed is nonsense

2019-03-12 16:03:32 UTC  

First, orthodoxy isn't just "monasteries"

2019-03-12 16:04:05 UTC  

Second, I have just applied your logic that something is bad and must be hated if it doesn't magically protect you against enlightement nonsense. Nothing is going to make the world inmune against that

2019-03-12 16:04:07 UTC  

For the best understanding I am saying it is to be found in monasteries

2019-03-12 16:04:30 UTC  

Monasteries alone can't rule a country.

2019-03-12 16:04:55 UTC  

But without monasteries a country can’t be worth anything

2019-03-12 16:05:29 UTC  

and we look at fascism

2019-03-12 16:05:35 UTC  

and we see that tere were plenty of monasteries

2019-03-12 16:05:44 UTC  

Like during Franco's rule, for example

2019-03-12 16:05:49 UTC  

Plenty of them to steal from apparently

2019-03-12 16:05:52 UTC  

And do not say "those don't count because they are catholic"

2019-03-12 16:05:55 UTC  

Okay

2019-03-12 16:06:21 UTC  

What are you even talking about? Are you even aware of how much Franco promoted Christianity?

2019-03-12 16:06:27 UTC  

So according to your logic if the communists managed to destroy all monasteries in Russia, then it means that it wouldn't be worth saving anyway and might as well remain communist?

2019-03-12 16:06:40 UTC  

There is that magical idea