In the bigger picture, by the accounts of those who knew Mary, what is said to her regarding her grace, and her role, we consider her free of sin, and say that this is possible precisely by the immaculate conception

And this is declared as such by the Church, which would act in a similar way to the aforementioned prophets

In the way we know it, yes, but I mean the esy SMV seems to see it

way*

I mean, I don't see anything wrong with it as tradition, but I also see it as adding to the undue deification in practice, especially the fairly recent double-down after V2

You see, it’s not just tradition and symbolism

Not at all

He is just saying that he is concerned about what happens in some cases

Which is a legit concern, but we must also be strong and not compromise over the faults in others. There is no verse that can't, on its own, be twisted

I’m misinterpreting then, thought he meant the Immaculate conception was just tradition

If it was important she was sinless, it'd be reinforced in scripture. But the problem is, it's not, and if it's not reinforced and it's leading the the church astray, what is the benefit of treating it as such a huge doctrine?

Hence why I made reference to the Nestorians

You can check yourself the many Fathers of the Church who combat the related heresies, and the parts of Scripture they mention

Specially St. Cyril of Alexandria

I would rather say that you, like the rest of protestants have been led astray, and entered a spiral of heresies with no brakes

He fought really hard to defend the very title of Theotokos

(Mother of God)

Yeah this is why I brought up nestorianism again, just clarifying

But Christ can still be God born to a virgin even if she had sinned, or later sinned, Christ is God. Jesus inhabited a great many dens of sin without himself succimbing or the place around him being destroyed.

That would lead to the incarnation inherit the sin

Thus the link back to the gymnastic

It seems pretty simple

The thing is those dens of sin were not their mother

It's a whole dogma that exists to reconcile something that didn't need reconciliation

It just was

No, it is a dogma that has existed for all time and that is only challenged in Neo-Sodom, the land of all heresies: America

2000 years later

Indeed

Hypermarianism comes in waves, I wouldn't say all time

If the very land that Christ stepped on is holy, what’s this twisted attempt to deny the very woman that gave birth to him was too?

You are reacting emotionally to what you observe in some areas of the world, cutting your arm when it is diseased instead of curing it

Was David a man after God's own heart? Was Elijah a man of God even in succumbing to cowardice and fleeing persecution?

Mary is the mother of God, Mary isn't just some receptacle in which God teleports

Mary is the Mother of all the Redeemed too

Mary is even mentioned back in the protoevangelium

Galatians 4:4

**Galatians 4:4 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

```Dust


<4> But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a woman, made under the law: ```

Mary can be holy without being perfect, just as many before her

This shows a far greater relationship that just mere "exposition"

Genesis 3:15

**Genesis 3:15 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

```Dust


<15> I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel. ```