You could argue proximity to literally any figure in the Bible, none are deified like Mary but maybe Elijah

Lmao, didn't some believe too that John the baptist was the messiah?

John 3:30

**John 3:30 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

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<30> He must increase, but I must decrease. ```

But we can say the same, that all the scandals related to Mary are destroyed when considering all scripture and teachings

So instead of cutting your arm when it is diseased, encourage actual understanding of Crhist, God, and the events and things described in Scripture

Luke 1:42

**Luke 1:42 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

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<42> And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. ```

Because if you try to solve problems by reducing Mary to a mere, normal woman, you have caused yet another disease, which you will have to "cure" by cutting yet another limb

I don't see the disease there though? For her to just be?

The Christ Bearer is the Christ bearer with or without a mystical birth and life

That would fall into what Mozal mentioned had nothing to do, which was what I said

That is a blessing in itself and the absolute ultimate fulfillment of womanhood

That’s, in my eyes, a pseudo-new way to call mary Christotokos basically

The disease is the theologically bankrupt statement that Mary is just another woman with no difference from others, even when she is described as full of grace, Christ having been born of her, and crushing Satan's head. It doens't hold that all of this is said of someone merely because of acting as some kind of fleshy receptacle for God, since in order to deny Mary's characteristics, you have said that it has no real effect on the mother

She was filled with grace because she was chosen

You have made that impossible, by saying that she was just a normal woman, with no different nature because of her role

By saying "being chosen doesn't mean any special status, or characteristic"

Luke 1:42

**Luke 1:42 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

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<42> And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. ```

Is this really that hard to understand?

And that blessing and grace that it is mentioned isn't just a title, it is an actual thing

Exactly

Her mundanity is simply another exhultation of the Christ. Not every great child of God needs to be a magical superhero, some are just given a role and carry it out, and are blessed because of their obedience.

Yet there is also no scripture saying that Mary was perfectly obedient either

So what is it going to be?

What greater blessing is there than a child, and what more so a child that is God indwelt among us?

She raised Jesus well, that is obedience

Yet she gathered the Apostles in pentecost, pushed Jesus to perform his first miracle, etc

Well maybe being full of grace and crushing Satan's head, which show us again what is done for her role

And does it say anywhere that she raised him well?

No mozal lmao anyone can do that eksdeee

He turned out Jesus and still loved his mother?

Shitty parents don't raise messiahs

Jesus was going to turn out Jesus, in your framework, without requiring any special thing

I love my mother too, but she doesn't have any special grace that makes her obedient

Is perfect obedience in your eyes, naturally achieved?

You are pretty much reducing what is said of Mary to the most mundane things, pretty much being a decent mother that doesn't kill her son. But then it makes no sense that so many outlandish things are said of her

And I don't expect you to say now "ok I'm convinced", but the claim that what we say is unsupported by Scripture is foolish. These, and many other things, are mentioned and studied by the Fathers of the Church, and when the involved dogmas are declared

And if you say that this causes scandal for some, I will also say that every single verse causes scandal for some. I have even seen people refusing to pay parking fines by saying that Christ already paid for our sins

For real..?