Message from @Stephen Levi

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2020-01-06 08:36:10 UTC  

Because it is destructive to the human, to have God inside him when he is unclean

2020-01-06 08:36:16 UTC  

Paul was as morally unclean as it gets

2020-01-06 08:36:24 UTC  

He slaughtered Christians

2020-01-06 08:36:26 UTC  

Yes but he changed

2020-01-06 08:36:29 UTC  

After

2020-01-06 08:36:29 UTC  

What about people who decide to give their lives to Christ?

2020-01-06 08:36:53 UTC  

Well when did he get the holy spirit?

2020-01-06 08:37:05 UTC  

He got it by grace

2020-01-06 08:37:05 UTC  

When God appeared on the road to Damascus, Paul was presently a blasphemer and a murderer

2020-01-06 08:37:14 UTC  

^

2020-01-06 08:37:40 UTC  

Yes but when did he receive it?

2020-01-06 08:38:03 UTC  

Not until he was blinded and left there to seek shelter with a Christian did he receive grace, far after the fact

2020-01-06 08:38:11 UTC  

And everyone is getting it by grace.

2020-01-06 08:38:20 UTC  

Yes he changed though

2020-01-06 08:38:25 UTC  

After

2020-01-06 08:38:28 UTC  

He dependent

2020-01-06 08:38:40 UTC  

Yeah and after he received the spirit

2020-01-06 08:39:36 UTC  

He recieved the spirit because he changed, because God giving the mercy of revealing his divinity without passing immediate judgement is a mercy beyond comprehension not to be taken lightly

2020-01-06 08:39:55 UTC  

But it is within His power fully to grant

2020-01-06 08:40:00 UTC  

Yes i agree

2020-01-06 08:40:34 UTC  

But i still see it thst the God will give the spirit when you are clean

2020-01-06 08:41:12 UTC  

You are never, ever clean when God grants the Spirit, because the Spirit is the only thing capable of making clean

2020-01-06 08:41:32 UTC  

Hm

2020-01-06 08:42:37 UTC  

Well yeah you can't be fully clean because you never can be sinless

2020-01-06 08:43:28 UTC  

You receive the spirit because you are unclean, not because you put on the facade of holiness. If anything, the facade of holiness is an impediment to the reception of the spirit.

2020-01-06 08:44:16 UTC  

Can you support your claim with the bible? A story or something

2020-01-06 08:44:28 UTC  

Because i dont know much about it

2020-01-06 08:44:39 UTC  

I am just speculating

2020-01-06 08:44:50 UTC  

And thinking out loud

2020-01-06 08:45:40 UTC  

Jesus' attitude towards the Pharisees throughout the entirety of the Gospel

2020-01-06 08:46:49 UTC  

I tend to speak here under the assumption you've read the bible because I don't have a scholar's brain, I don't memorize numbers and citations I just know the stories

2020-01-06 08:46:58 UTC  

and that's a pretty basic one

2020-01-06 08:47:02 UTC  

Ok ok

2020-01-06 08:47:22 UTC  

I am speaking specifically about the holy spirit

2020-01-06 08:48:24 UTC  

The Pharisees were hypocrites keeping the laws that everyone could see and not the more important ones.

2020-01-06 08:53:31 UTC  

The Holy Spirit is God and share's his intent and will with Christ, the Pharisees did not receive the spirit as the apostles and early church did because they were caught up in the legalistic framework they worshipped, not the Law awaiting fulfillment that was fulfilled in Christ. Obsession over the law led to the Talmudic Judaism of today, that bears no resemblance to the living work of the living God. The law of Moses is impossible to keep without the temple and without temple sacrifice, which has ended because Christ was the final sacrifice. The Pharisees and then the 'jews' were left behind with their dead law, while the followers of Christ shed it and gained life.

2020-01-06 08:57:09 UTC  

I told you they weren't moraly clean and God decides himself where to give it. The Pharisees were not clean, as ceremonial cleanliness is not only what makes someone clean. Also God wanted the followers of Christ to receive it, for obvious reasons.

2020-01-06 09:09:37 UTC  

Σε καψαμε λεβι, <:think_suicide:550020507186102302> <:eksdee:558283291292336138>

2020-01-06 09:11:48 UTC  

Ceremonial cleanliness has zero bearing

2020-01-06 09:12:50 UTC  

I was talking specifically for moral cleanliness here

2020-01-06 09:13:13 UTC  

That they weren't moraly clean