Message from @SUPER MALE VITALITY™
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Fear and terror and awe always accompany God revealing himself
The uncreated light, as heysachists call it
Right, that is why i think that the holy spirit as God is not likely to get in a moraly unclean person, not because it cant but because it decides to not
Because it is destructive to the human, to have God inside him when he is unclean
Paul was as morally unclean as it gets
He slaughtered Christians
Yes but he changed
After
What about people who decide to give their lives to Christ?
Well when did he get the holy spirit?
He got it by grace
When God appeared on the road to Damascus, Paul was presently a blasphemer and a murderer
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Yes but when did he receive it?
Not until he was blinded and left there to seek shelter with a Christian did he receive grace, far after the fact
And everyone is getting it by grace.
Yes he changed though
After
He dependent
Yeah and after he received the spirit
He recieved the spirit because he changed, because God giving the mercy of revealing his divinity without passing immediate judgement is a mercy beyond comprehension not to be taken lightly
But it is within His power fully to grant
Yes i agree
But i still see it thst the God will give the spirit when you are clean
You are never, ever clean when God grants the Spirit, because the Spirit is the only thing capable of making clean
Hm
Well yeah you can't be fully clean because you never can be sinless
You receive the spirit because you are unclean, not because you put on the facade of holiness. If anything, the facade of holiness is an impediment to the reception of the spirit.
Can you support your claim with the bible? A story or something
Because i dont know much about it
I am just speculating
And thinking out loud
Jesus' attitude towards the Pharisees throughout the entirety of the Gospel
I tend to speak here under the assumption you've read the bible because I don't have a scholar's brain, I don't memorize numbers and citations I just know the stories
and that's a pretty basic one
Ok ok
I am speaking specifically about the holy spirit
The Pharisees were hypocrites keeping the laws that everyone could see and not the more important ones.
The Holy Spirit is God and share's his intent and will with Christ, the Pharisees did not receive the spirit as the apostles and early church did because they were caught up in the legalistic framework they worshipped, not the Law awaiting fulfillment that was fulfilled in Christ. Obsession over the law led to the Talmudic Judaism of today, that bears no resemblance to the living work of the living God. The law of Moses is impossible to keep without the temple and without temple sacrifice, which has ended because Christ was the final sacrifice. The Pharisees and then the 'jews' were left behind with their dead law, while the followers of Christ shed it and gained life.
I told you they weren't moraly clean and God decides himself where to give it. The Pharisees were not clean, as ceremonial cleanliness is not only what makes someone clean. Also God wanted the followers of Christ to receive it, for obvious reasons.
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