the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."

```9. Therefore, faithfully adhering to the tradition received from the beginning of the Christian faith, to the glory of God our savior, for the exaltation of the Catholic religion and for the salvation of the Christian people, with the approval of the Sacred Council, we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that when the Roman Pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA, that is, when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church, he possesses, by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility which the divine Redeemer willed his Church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals. Therefore, such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the Church, irreformable.```

Yes, he is defining doctrine on morals

He is saying that religious tolerance is condemned

Speaking a personal opinion = /= defining doctrine

Dont think hes defining anything as a doctrine on faith or morals, its just his opinion lol

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If it were his opinion he would be speaking as a private individual

But he is speaking as the Pope to the universal church

which is the case

since he loves spewing it on air italia

Okay, Francis's personal beliefs contradict dogma

But you don't need to speak ex cathedra to be a heretic

All non-Catholics are heretics

But they cannot speak Ex Cathedra

Martin Luther was not speaking ex cathedra, but he was a heretic for his theses

```22. Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed. ``` ```15. It is absurd to imagine that he who is outside can command in the Church.```

@Jadas Francis doesn't hold the faith of Rome

He hold his own faith

Which is why he is a heretic

I understand that, but what position are we in to take him off the seat of peter

his own opinion has placed him in sin

We aren't taking him off the seat of peter

He is taking himself off the seat of peter

By his own words

Are you not familiar with the case of Nestorius?

yes i am

Okay, so he was ipso facto deposed

And so is Francis

Ambrose and Augustine teach the same, as does St. Jerome who says: “Bishops who were heretics cannot continue to be so; rather let them be constituted such who were received that were not heretics” 330 Ambrose, de poenitentia, bk 1, ch. 2; Augustine, Enchrid., ch. 65; Jerome, Contra Luciferianos.

Optatus teaches that heretics and schismatics cannot hold the keys of the kingdom of heaven, nor loose or bind 329 Contra Parmenianum.

Pope Celestine I, in an epistle to John of Antioch, which is contained in Volume One of the Council of Ephesus, ch. 19, says: “If anyone who was either excommunicated or exiled by Bishop Nestorius, or any that followed him, from such a time as he began to preach such things, whether they be from the dignity of a bishop or clergy, it is manifest that he has endured and endures in our communion, nor do we judge him outside, because he could not remove anyone by a sentence, who himself had already shown that he must be removed.”
And in a letter to the clergy of Constantinople: “The Authority of our See has sanctioned, that the bishop, cleric or Christian by simple profession who had been deposed or excommunicated by Nestorius or his followers, after the latter began to preach heresy, shall not be considered deposed or excommunicated. For he who had defected from the faith with such preaching, cannot depose or remove anyone whatsoever.”


This is the opinion of all the ancient Fathers, who teach that manifest heretics soon [mox] lose all jurisdiction, and namely St. Cyprian who speaks on Novation, who was a Pope in schism with Cornelius: “He cannot hold the Episcopacy, although he was a bishop first, he fell from the body of his fellow bishops and from the unity of the Church” 332 Bk 4, epist. 2.

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Francis like Nestorius is deposed ipso facto

and what do you think of the popes before francis

John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis I are anti-popes

and how do you feel the situation will be resolved

I don't know, I personally think this is the end times apostasy

Prophesied in St. John's apocalypse

and do you think faithful catholics who attend non sede masses are in sin?

Novus Ordites are outside the church