```Pope Pius IX, Quanta Cura (# 3), Dec. 8, 1864: “From which totally false idea of social government they do not fear to foster THAT ERRONEOUS OPINION, most fatal in its effects on the Catholic Church and the salvation of souls, called by Our predecessor, Gregory XVI, an insanity, NAMELY, THAT LIBERTY OF CONSCIENCE AND WORSHIP IS EACH MAN’S PERSONAL RIGHT, WHICH OUGHT TO BE LEGALLY PROCLAIMED AND ASSERTED IN EVERY RIGHTLY CONSTITUTED SOCIETY…”```

@Smackface

I'm reading as you post, you don't have to tag me again, that's just going to piss me off. I'd also like to kindly remind you that not only are encyclicals not considered infallible documets, Bergoglio has not (to my knowledge) rejected an "article of faith or truth that the Church has acknowledged as revealed by God."

Ergo he can not possibly be condemned as a heretic

Just as an idiot

The Pope is infallible on matters of faith and morals

Whether or not we are to tolerate other religions is a matter of morals

The Pope is infallible on matters of Dogma*

No, faith and morals

Those are the words from VC I

the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."

```9. Therefore, faithfully adhering to the tradition received from the beginning of the Christian faith, to the glory of God our savior, for the exaltation of the Catholic religion and for the salvation of the Christian people, with the approval of the Sacred Council, we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that when the Roman Pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA, that is, when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church, he possesses, by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility which the divine Redeemer willed his Church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals. Therefore, such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the Church, irreformable.```

Yes, he is defining doctrine on morals

He is saying that religious tolerance is condemned

Speaking a personal opinion = /= defining doctrine

Dont think hes defining anything as a doctrine on faith or morals, its just his opinion lol

^

If it were his opinion he would be speaking as a private individual

But he is speaking as the Pope to the universal church

which is the case

since he loves spewing it on air italia

Okay, Francis's personal beliefs contradict dogma

But you don't need to speak ex cathedra to be a heretic

All non-Catholics are heretics

But they cannot speak Ex Cathedra

Martin Luther was not speaking ex cathedra, but he was a heretic for his theses

```22. Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed. ``` ```15. It is absurd to imagine that he who is outside can command in the Church.```

@Jadas Francis doesn't hold the faith of Rome

He hold his own faith

Which is why he is a heretic

I understand that, but what position are we in to take him off the seat of peter

his own opinion has placed him in sin

We aren't taking him off the seat of peter

He is taking himself off the seat of peter

By his own words

Are you not familiar with the case of Nestorius?

yes i am

Okay, so he was ipso facto deposed

And so is Francis

Ambrose and Augustine teach the same, as does St. Jerome who says: “Bishops who were heretics cannot continue to be so; rather let them be constituted such who were received that were not heretics” 330 Ambrose, de poenitentia, bk 1, ch. 2; Augustine, Enchrid., ch. 65; Jerome, Contra Luciferianos.

Optatus teaches that heretics and schismatics cannot hold the keys of the kingdom of heaven, nor loose or bind 329 Contra Parmenianum.