I understand that, but what position are we in to take him off the seat of peter

his own opinion has placed him in sin

We aren't taking him off the seat of peter

He is taking himself off the seat of peter

By his own words

Are you not familiar with the case of Nestorius?

yes i am

Okay, so he was ipso facto deposed

And so is Francis

Ambrose and Augustine teach the same, as does St. Jerome who says: “Bishops who were heretics cannot continue to be so; rather let them be constituted such who were received that were not heretics” 330 Ambrose, de poenitentia, bk 1, ch. 2; Augustine, Enchrid., ch. 65; Jerome, Contra Luciferianos.

Optatus teaches that heretics and schismatics cannot hold the keys of the kingdom of heaven, nor loose or bind 329 Contra Parmenianum.

Pope Celestine I, in an epistle to John of Antioch, which is contained in Volume One of the Council of Ephesus, ch. 19, says: “If anyone who was either excommunicated or exiled by Bishop Nestorius, or any that followed him, from such a time as he began to preach such things, whether they be from the dignity of a bishop or clergy, it is manifest that he has endured and endures in our communion, nor do we judge him outside, because he could not remove anyone by a sentence, who himself had already shown that he must be removed.”
And in a letter to the clergy of Constantinople: “The Authority of our See has sanctioned, that the bishop, cleric or Christian by simple profession who had been deposed or excommunicated by Nestorius or his followers, after the latter began to preach heresy, shall not be considered deposed or excommunicated. For he who had defected from the faith with such preaching, cannot depose or remove anyone whatsoever.”


This is the opinion of all the ancient Fathers, who teach that manifest heretics soon [mox] lose all jurisdiction, and namely St. Cyprian who speaks on Novation, who was a Pope in schism with Cornelius: “He cannot hold the Episcopacy, although he was a bishop first, he fell from the body of his fellow bishops and from the unity of the Church” 332 Bk 4, epist. 2.

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Francis like Nestorius is deposed ipso facto

and what do you think of the popes before francis

John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis I are anti-popes

and how do you feel the situation will be resolved

I don't know, I personally think this is the end times apostasy

Prophesied in St. John's apocalypse

and do you think faithful catholics who attend non sede masses are in sin?

Novus Ordites are outside the church

what about icksp, sspx, fssp etc

It depends

If they are imposing heretics you should not attend their mass

But if they are not imposing heretics you can attend their mass, but not support them

i know they arent but but they could be ordained by bishops who were rodained in the new rite

does that make their sacraments null and void

SSPX are all from the old rite

They are from the Lefebvre line

i know but not fssp icksp etc

Yeah, no

there are many holy priests in those orders

I think it's better to be safe then sorry

It's doubtful that they were validly ordained

Because the majority of the rite of consecration has been made entirely optional

You can look this up

There's the "Bishop's Homily" in the new rite of ordination that is entirely optional

I dont believe our Lord would abandon millions of catholics who want to be faithful, goto confession and receive His body

thats just my opinion tho

Matthew 24:11

**Matthew 24:11 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<11> And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. ```