"Following the economic collapse of the early 1990s, Russia suffered from a sharp increase in the rates of poverty and economic inequality.[9] Estimates by the World Bank based on both macroeconomic data and surveys of household incomes and expenditures indicate that whereas 1.5% of the population was living in poverty (defined as income below the equivalent of $25 per month) in the late Soviet era, by mid-1993 between 39% and 49% of the population was living in poverty.[10] Per capita incomes fell by another 15% by 1998, according to government figures.

Public health indicators show a dramatic corresponding decline. Although all post-Soviet countries experience an immediate decline in birth-rates due to economic turmoil this may have been particularly acute in Russia.[11] In 1999, total population fell by about three-quarters of a million people. Meanwhile, life expectancy dropped for men from 64 years in 1990 to 57 years by 1994, while women's dropped from 74 to about 71. Both health factors and a sharp increase in deaths of the youth demographic from unnatural causes (such as murders, suicides, and accidents) have significantly contributed to this trend. Closely related to the declining life expectancy, alcohol-related deaths skyrocketed 60% in the 1990s and deaths from infectious and parasitic diseases shot up 100%[citation needed], mainly because medicines were no longer affordable to the poor."

This is the future I think the west is headed for, and worse

especially America

Then you had the violent wars in Chechnya, terrorism, and the country nearly went into civil war in 1993

We never expect it, do we? We take these things for granted, but honestly, nothing is.

I wonder if we are in a place right now with no good options

like the Soviet Union twoards the end of it's life

my dad remembers the 1991 coup attempt. He thought the reformists like Gorbachev and Yeltsin were criminals destroying the country, but he didn't want a return to the failed policies of the Brezhnev era either, that the coup leaders were offering

what choice was there? Either path was a path to darkness

I will never trust secular countries. They usually water down the value of religion towards the society. They want its influenced removed

What does the British government have to gain by kowtowing to Muslims? 🤔

I don't understand it.

virtuepoints

No such thing to these people, they'll turn on you in seconds.

It's not like they're likely to win outright, anyway.

They know that the only way to stay in power is to support what the majority seem to support

And as the general public opinion is that Muslims are peaceful, the government will parrot this

Hard to trace back when it begun

Secularism is good when you live in a country like Pakistan

Because everyone's terrified of being anything other than Muslim?

Secularism is evil

@Mihai Full circle mate!

Secularism is evil only for Christian countries lol

Good for others, specially Muslim countries

How does that follow?

I think it might be easier to convert Muslims to Catholicism than secularists.

No, it isn't

Have you tried?

Yeah

tried converting few close friends irl

Extremism wasn't really strong here before 2001 though

Are you in a Muslim country?

People of Pakistan were religious before but they had this uhh

tolerant version of Islam or whatever you wanna call it

I live in Pakistan

Ah.

Now society is degenerate like West here lole

though before we had nightclubs and stuff like that here, society wasn't this degenerate

That's what happens when you open yourselves to modernism.

But we needed secularism after 2001 tbh

that tolerant version of Islam was fading