The only problem is that due to quantum mechanics, you could actually argue that the entire universe is nothing but random flux.

Or the entire multi-verse, as some physicists say.

Quantum mechanics is a spook

Hold on let me read it a couple of times

They're making things up to explain what they don't understand

It has scientific evidence. Light has been proved to have both particle and wave properties. So have electrons, and even some molecules. However, it is true that there are times they go a little to far.

Ah ok I think I understood the point of it

But anyway, does quantum physics disprove math?

Not 2+2=4, or any of the rest of math.

My point is that with quantum mechanics, you can argue for a universe that's nothing but random flux.

You could, but I don't see how that's relevant

It doesn't disprove the other claim

It's just reaffirming what they think they know without addressing the argument

I agree. Disregarding God because of a lack of evidence for God is a very unscientific thing to do.

That math is consistent, it's comprehensible, it's logical; all which would be impossible in a state of flux

And then there's the whole thing about science not being able to justify itself

For the record, I'm only arguing with you so you can strengthen the argument.

But it might be possible that even with constant flux, you can have consistent math.

You could do this by equating math with pure nominalism.

Let's say I have three apples. The fact is I have three, but I could say I have drin, or kteri, or uliban. The word is in flux, but the reality remains the same.

Not sure where I'm going with this, actually.

The word is in flux through language barriers too. I say three, Philippe says trois, Franz says drei. The word is different, but the concept is always the same

@Luiz Tinoco I turned 21 this year. I'm really glad the date went well for you! And yeah, the internet can be a real crutch. You sort of lose sense of your body and your mind is absorbed in it so you forget your surroundings and how much time has gone by.

I'm at a blank as to how math could be nominal tbh. Could always test it out and see how they would respond

It's nominal because the concept is the same, no matter the name. Unless I'm getting nominalism wrong.

That wouldn't be nominalism

Nominalism would be that numbers are a social construct

And that we contrived them out of convenience maybe?

But that's easily disproven

Ah, I am getting nominalism wrong.

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As 3+3 is 6 no matter what society is doing the math

Quantum mechanics proves that naturalism is false

When someone starts talking about quantum mechanics, I can only imagine a mega-fedora talking about le epic science xD while using big, smart, enlightened words that sound like le epic science

You should watch InspiringPhilosophy

He uses quantum physics in some of his apologetics

He's quite good

>If the universe was nothing but random cosmic flux, it would be impossible for a universal truth and for consistency to exist

I don't see how that follows

Konstantin has been typing for 3 hours now

I wonder what he has to say