Message from @Romanus Drevo
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Paraphrasing an interesting argument I heard today for the existence of God: (since atheists are nominalist and believe that the big bang happened solely through cosmic flux) Do you believe that 2+2 equals 4 and always equals 4? The fact that math exists and it's unequivocally a universal truth proves the existence of a higher power. If the universe was nothing but random cosmic flux, it would be impossible for a universal truth and for consistency to exist. It would be random flux like everything else
I'm not doing the argument justice, but you get the idea
The only problem is that due to quantum mechanics, you could actually argue that the entire universe is nothing but random flux.
Or the entire multi-verse, as some physicists say.
Quantum mechanics is a spook
Hold on let me read it a couple of times
They're making things up to explain what they don't understand
It has scientific evidence. Light has been proved to have both particle and wave properties. So have electrons, and even some molecules. However, it is true that there are times they go a little to far.
Ah ok I think I understood the point of it
But anyway, does quantum physics disprove math?
Not 2+2=4, or any of the rest of math.
My point is that with quantum mechanics, you can argue for a universe that's nothing but random flux.
You could, but I don't see how that's relevant
It doesn't disprove the other claim
It's just reaffirming what they think they know without addressing the argument
I agree. Disregarding God because of a lack of evidence for God is a very unscientific thing to do.
That math is consistent, it's comprehensible, it's logical; all which would be impossible in a state of flux
And then there's the whole thing about science not being able to justify itself
For the record, I'm only arguing with you so you can strengthen the argument.
You could do this by equating math with pure nominalism.
Let's say I have three apples. The fact is I have three, but I could say I have drin, or kteri, or uliban. The word is in flux, but the reality remains the same.
Not sure where I'm going with this, actually.
The word is in flux through language barriers too. I say three, Philippe says trois, Franz says drei. The word is different, but the concept is always the same
@Luiz Tinoco I turned 21 this year. I'm really glad the date went well for you! And yeah, the internet can be a real crutch. You sort of lose sense of your body and your mind is absorbed in it so you forget your surroundings and how much time has gone by.
I'm at a blank as to how math could be nominal tbh. Could always test it out and see how they would respond
It's nominal because the concept is the same, no matter the name. Unless I'm getting nominalism wrong.
That wouldn't be nominalism
Nominalism would be that numbers are a social construct
And that we contrived them out of convenience maybe?
But that's easily disproven
Ah, I am getting nominalism wrong.
@Deleted User you're at a very good age. I could recommend you the same I recommend shrimples albeit for different reason. Find a group of like minded people, engage in their activities and be part of a sports team if you can. There are good days, and there are days in which we think too much. Those are the dangerous ones. Keep God with you and keep people close to you when they come. I'll add a prayer for you tonight as well :)
As 3+3 is 6 no matter what society is doing the math
Quantum mechanics proves that naturalism is false
When someone starts talking about quantum mechanics, I can only imagine a mega-fedora talking about le epic science xD while using big, smart, enlightened words that sound like le epic science
You should watch InspiringPhilosophy
He uses quantum physics in some of his apologetics
He's quite good
>If the universe was nothing but random cosmic flux, it would be impossible for a universal truth and for consistency to exist