The bishop of Rome was never the final say in dogma though

who was ?

and no Josias

The ecumenical councils, the collegiate church, the holy spirit through the synods of bishops

Yes because Pope Pius V

didn't know the Church was an aristocracy and not a monarchy

Christ is the king and high priest of the church

Papal infallibility autism

Christ didn't say "the Keys of My realm are yours" to the synod of bishops or collegiate church

(paraphrasing)

Essentially, yeah

Wait, I misread that

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Thought I saw didn't Christ rather than Christ didn't

He did, actually, according to the church fathers

He addressed all the apostles in giving the keys and the authority to bind and loose

isn't it any Church Father that said it was to Peter ?

Gonna request you rephrase that, not sure what you mean there with that odd grammatical structure

Do you know a Church Father that explained that what Christ says to Peter shows his prevalence on the other apostles ?

Like one or two, I don't recall which at the moment

There's also a church father that says the three sees of Rome, Antioch, and Alexandria together make the one Petrine see as a sort of mirror of the trinity

But this can't be the case because these sees are all in schism from each other

Unless anyone is inclined to believe muh branch theory

If I weren't on my phone in the car I'd be able to look up my saved tabs and stuff but alas no proofs, blyat

then you cannot rely on the Church fathers alone to contradict the papal supremacy since at least one Church Fathers supported it.

it has to come from the Church

And we know what's dogma because of the pope and we know the pope is infallible because it's dogma and we know it's dogma because of the pope

Holy tradition, the church fathers, scripture, the church itself

Papism is an innovation and a sham my guy
But I'm going to a papist church today because a friend of my mother's is having a mass said for the sake of my recently deceased grandmother

it's a bit caricatural but in a way I don't see a problem with it since the Church is supposed to be inspired (was it not throughout history ? how can you decide when it ceased to be ?)

but let's not quarrel on that

it's not a discord server dedicated to this eternal debate 😅

Aye, nobody's going to change their minds. Banter can be fun but best not to waste loads of time on it

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begome gadolig

I am actually

This October I will be received into the orthodox catholic church

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