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because I've seen like one church father with the stupid Protestant tier literalist reading of Matt 16:18 and many more with actual interpretations
The filioque is one issue amongst many
so you're the criterion when it comes to chose what is ok and what is not, and the pope's choices' value is 0 ?
when it comes to dogma ?
Not at all lol
Isn't the entire Papist church in heresy because of the mass being changed?
The bishop of Rome was never the final say in dogma though
who was ?
and no Josias
The ecumenical councils, the collegiate church, the holy spirit through the synods of bishops
Yes because Pope Pius V
didn't know the Church was an aristocracy and not a monarchy
Christ is the king and high priest of the church
Papal infallibility autism
Christ didn't say "the Keys of My realm are yours" to the synod of bishops or collegiate church
(paraphrasing)
Essentially, yeah
Wait, I misread that
Thought I saw didn't Christ rather than Christ didn't
He did, actually, according to the church fathers
He addressed all the apostles in giving the keys and the authority to bind and loose
isn't it any Church Father that said it was to Peter ?
Gonna request you rephrase that, not sure what you mean there with that odd grammatical structure
Do you know a Church Father that explained that what Christ says to Peter shows his prevalence on the other apostles ?
Like one or two, I don't recall which at the moment
There's also a church father that says the three sees of Rome, Antioch, and Alexandria together make the one Petrine see as a sort of mirror of the trinity
But this can't be the case because these sees are all in schism from each other
Unless anyone is inclined to believe muh branch theory
If I weren't on my phone in the car I'd be able to look up my saved tabs and stuff but alas no proofs, blyat
then you cannot rely on the Church fathers alone to contradict the papal supremacy since at least one Church Fathers supported it.
it has to come from the Church
And we know what's dogma because of the pope and we know the pope is infallible because it's dogma and we know it's dogma because of the pope
Holy tradition, the church fathers, scripture, the church itself
Papism is an innovation and a sham my guy
But I'm going to a papist church today because a friend of my mother's is having a mass said for the sake of my recently deceased grandmother
it's a bit caricatural but in a way I don't see a problem with it since the Church is supposed to be inspired (was it not throughout history ? how can you decide when it ceased to be ?)
but let's not quarrel on that
it's not a discord server dedicated to this eternal debate 😅
Aye, nobody's going to change their minds. Banter can be fun but best not to waste loads of time on it