A lot of Jewish rabbi that I've spoken with don't deny Jesus as the messiah, they're just waiting for his return

god surely must've foreseen them rejecting jesus

and despite that proclaimed them the chosen people

so they are protestants?

Ha

If jews are gods chosen people (Other then chosen to give birth to Jesus) then why are we christian instead of jews

sincerely wondering

Because of the renouncement of the Mosaic law

@Korkza because jews are an ethnoreligious group

unlike christians

There's a sect of Judaism called the Messianic that believe Jesus was who He said He was, and that He died for our sins and rose again. Tell me, does that still make them Christians?

Yes i understand that. but if god as u say God would have forseen them rejecting Jesus, and still makes them the chosen people, thus making hios chosen people practicing a false religion.

OR

we have it wrong

This makes me so confused haha

The Israelites were the people of the covenant to who Yahweh revealed Himself to. We now have a new covenant in Christ, and so anyone who believes in who Christ is, what He did, and tries daily to follow Him can call themselves Christians

So yes, some Jews can be considered pagans, but they still worship Yahweh, and have ignored the truth of Christ

But that doesn't make their religion false, it's just an outline of the new covenant

A shadow, if you will

yeah ok i follow this far.

So some are like pseudo christians like that sect u talked about

but that does them no good at all though since there is no salvation outside the church?

I consider the Messianic's to still be Christian, it's just they believed the renouncement of the Mosaic laws to be only for the Gentiles

but if yahweh foresaw the jews' rejection of jesus

does that mean he meant to signal that worship of him is enough

or do all jews go to hell

despite their chosen title

it'd be rather cruel of him to put the jews on that path

i dont think u could answer that question in any other way then u would with prots etc

despite knowing the horrid outcome

Jewish law demands blood as payment of sin, hence the sacrifices of sheep and goats. Worship alone was not enough to satisfy. With the new covenant, Christ paid the price through His crucifixion. Jews have the option of believing He was the Messiah, or to continue their old ways

free will etc

^

Although Calvanists would argue that

But yeah, in the end Jews are at worst to be compared with pagans, and at best Westboro baptist church? lol

@Korkza but is it truly a matter of free will

if god can foresee everything

We experience time sequentially, and so we can choose the next steps from our current points

God experiences it sequentially

He gives us paths and choices, but He knows what our next steps are

It's a tough one to wrap your head around