Message from @Smackface

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2018-10-13 16:12:39 UTC  

Because the Scythians themselves were closely related to (but not descended from necessarily) the Yamnua culture

2018-10-13 16:12:48 UTC  

Yamnaya*

2018-10-13 16:13:08 UTC  

@Smackface define genetically uralic

2018-10-13 16:13:45 UTC  

The Scythians are one of a number of Steppes horde groups dating back to, iirc, 2300BC

2018-10-13 16:13:55 UTC  

Might be 2100

2018-10-13 16:14:05 UTC  

They settled in the Urals

2018-10-13 16:14:23 UTC  

nah, scythians date back to just 900 bc

2018-10-13 16:14:26 UTC  

Much like several other Steppes horde cultures

2018-10-13 16:14:28 UTC  

also they were mixed

2018-10-13 16:14:35 UTC  

with east asians and southwest asians

2018-10-13 16:14:47 UTC  

to some extent

2018-10-13 16:15:25 UTC  

No, they're given only East Asian and Yamnaya-related ancestry, that's it

2018-10-13 16:15:53 UTC  

Unless you have some other source to disprove this

2018-10-13 16:18:57 UTC  

But yeah, I think it was the Vedas that recorded a Scythian invasion that essentially ended with Scythian integration into the upper castes of Indian society, hence the Yamnaya connection, because so far I've seen no other explanation for the presence of Yamnayan blood in Indian ancestry, as they never settled anywhere close to India

2018-10-13 16:19:17 UTC  

the areas those samples were taken from were all pretty far north from transoxiana (which scythia also encompassed) so that's no surprise

2018-10-13 16:21:09 UTC  

@Smackface yamnaya didn't, but the descendants of proto-indo-iranians did

2018-10-13 16:24:02 UTC  

scythians probably had some genetic influence on india, but I doubt that it's because of them that R1a is nowadays such a prevalent Y-DNA lineage in south asia

2018-10-13 16:24:25 UTC  

Proto-indo-iranians are literally considered a hypothetical by geneticists and archaeologists

2018-10-13 16:25:26 UTC  

Hell, the concept of proto-indo-european itself comes from some sections of the Vedas having weird grammar that *kinda sorta looks like something a Caucasus culture /might/ have spoken*

2018-10-13 16:26:44 UTC  

R1a is, by standard definitions, over 20,000 years old

2018-10-13 16:27:14 UTC  

that's not how comparative linguistics work

2018-10-13 16:27:25 UTC  

Linguistics a genome do not make

2018-10-13 16:27:36 UTC  

R1a is 20,000 years old, but R1a1a1 isn't

2018-10-13 16:27:47 UTC  

and R1a1a1 encompasses 99% of modern R1a lineages

2018-10-13 16:27:51 UTC  

including the ones in South Asia

2018-10-13 16:28:17 UTC  

And the oldest sampled R1a1a1 is from Ukraine

2018-10-13 16:29:04 UTC  

R1a1a1 is a mere 5,500 years old

2018-10-13 16:29:21 UTC  

And perfectly matches with how the Indo-European expansion is dated

2018-10-13 16:30:11 UTC  

R1a1a* is 5k years old, and is also the precursor to R1a1a1b2 which is what 10-40% of "Indo-European speakers" possess

2018-10-13 16:31:20 UTC  

R1a1a1 is 8600 years old but all modern carriers of it descend from a man who lived about 5500 years ago

2018-10-13 16:31:23 UTC  

That's what I meant

2018-10-13 16:32:20 UTC  

@Smackface Do you have a point to make

2018-10-13 16:33:02 UTC  

99% carriers of its carriers still descend from a man who lived in Ukraine 5000 years ago

2018-10-13 16:33:09 UTC  

And it correlates extremely well with IE speakers

2018-10-13 16:33:22 UTC  

What do you suggest sparked this sudden expansion if not the spread of Indo-Europeans

2018-10-13 16:33:41 UTC  

That you're chasing after wind, also Indians have Z93 R1a which again comes from the steppes, which. Again. Likely comes from the Scythians.

2018-10-13 16:33:52 UTC  

Who did not.come.from.Ukraine

2018-10-13 16:34:07 UTC  

No, I'm not

2018-10-13 16:34:13 UTC  

You're just being dense

2018-10-13 16:34:15 UTC  

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