Message from @Mozalbete ⳩

Discord ID: 515861798897844235


2018-11-24 12:05:48 UTC  

It is a statement of basic doctrine to combat heresies and unify

2018-11-24 12:06:24 UTC  

As heresies or falsehood arise, things are added, not because there was something wrong in it, but because they are a convenient reminder

2018-11-24 12:06:27 UTC  

Your Church promised to not remove a single word at the 7th council.

2018-11-24 12:06:38 UTC  

It is you who wants to remove the Filioque

2018-11-24 12:07:12 UTC  

No the filioque is a total heresy. Nowhere in the scriptures. Nowhere in the Early Fathers.

2018-11-24 12:08:06 UTC  

At the 7th ecumenical councils, the creed was achieved. Your church promised To NOT amend it.

2018-11-24 12:08:09 UTC  

The Filioque is added from authoritative sources

2018-11-24 12:08:17 UTC  

The creed is not "achieved"

2018-11-24 12:08:17 UTC  

Which one?

2018-11-24 12:08:25 UTC  

You have no idea of what the purpose of the creed is

2018-11-24 12:08:30 UTC  

Which authoritative source?

2018-11-24 12:08:48 UTC  

The final authority of the roman see

2018-11-24 12:09:12 UTC  

Circular way of thinking....

2018-11-24 12:09:31 UTC  

In the Early Church, where is the authoritative source?

2018-11-24 12:09:38 UTC  

Something coming from the Church fathers is not an authority, since there were heretical Church Fathers

2018-11-24 12:09:56 UTC  

In the Early church, you have either Peter or his successors as final authority

2018-11-24 12:10:04 UTC  

That is, those who have the final word

2018-11-24 12:10:12 UTC  

It seems that you think, as I have mentioned earlies

2018-11-24 12:10:25 UTC  

That there is some magical year from which there are no authoritative statements

2018-11-24 12:10:31 UTC  

Can you tell us exactly what year and why?

2018-11-24 12:10:37 UTC  

Is it the year 300? 400? 401?

2018-11-24 12:11:07 UTC  

So the filioque doesn't come from the scriptures. It doesn't come from the Fathers. So, from where?

2018-11-24 12:11:24 UTC  

Only the Roman Church?

2018-11-24 12:11:25 UTC  

What does it mean that "it comes from the Scriptures"?

2018-11-24 12:11:41 UTC  

are you aware of where the consideration of something as Scripture comes from?

2018-11-24 12:11:45 UTC  

Are you a former protestant?

2018-11-24 12:12:02 UTC  

Are you aware that being a Father of the Church doesn't make what you say authoritative?

2018-11-24 12:12:29 UTC  

So what is authoritative according to the Roman Church ?

2018-11-24 12:12:53 UTC  

Not the scriptures, not the Fathers

2018-11-24 12:12:57 UTC  

So what?

2018-11-24 12:12:57 UTC  

What Christ declared to be Authoritative

2018-11-24 12:13:06 UTC  

Not any "Bible" or "Fathers"

2018-11-24 12:13:08 UTC  

But the Church

2018-11-24 12:13:27 UTC  

Because as you show now, there are heretical Fathers of the Church

2018-11-24 12:13:34 UTC  

It seems you love the words "Fathers"

2018-11-24 12:13:37 UTC  

No.

2018-11-24 12:13:37 UTC  

And hate "of the Church"

2018-11-24 12:14:18 UTC  

You have a list of authoritative Fathers who aren't heretical. @Mozalbete ⳩

2018-11-24 12:14:25 UTC  

So we agree the filioque isn't rooted in the Early Church. It comes exclusively from the Roman Church?

2018-11-24 12:15:07 UTC  

The papal primacy is off topic

2018-11-24 12:15:26 UTC  

The moment you say "Fathers who aren't heretical", you concede that being a Father does not give you authority