And you know what "according to you" is meaning?

Two can play the same game

If you are going to try to twist my words in not even a subtle way, then I can do the same, snake

You just admit that the Pope was your god.

It's not a game. You avoid the Aquinas rebutal by claiming the papal primacy. This is the only way out the Roman Church has in all debates. The problem is : your debater doesn't recognize this authority. So you're autistic.

@Constantin le Lamantin Can you please point out where I have said that the Pope is my God?

But let me remind you something: the papal primacy is supposed to be rooted in the Early Church too. According To Pie IX.

@Lao Tseu Takedown Regarding Aquinas, here is Aquinas' wall of text: http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1036.htm#article3 The problem is you don't understand baic enligh

@Lao Tseu Takedown It is. From Peter, the Rome see has always been given primacy. It has been a thing since then.

No, Pie IX named the Holy doctors and Holy Fathers too. Go read Vatican 1.

What are you even trying to say?

As I asked before, are you a former protestant?

I'm saying the papal primacy and infallibility have to be rooted in the Early Fathers, because Pie IX himself claimed it. Otherwise Pie IX is mistaken inside the infallible definition of the infallibility and the house of cards collapses.

Further than that

It is rooted in Christ

It seems that the Early Fathers are your gods

It is consistent with the attitude of the early Fathers and the primacy that was given to the roman see as succerssor of the role of Peter

You obviously don't know your own magisterium.

You obviously don't even know basic english, so are you going to try to educate about magisterium?

But it is not surprising, considering your gods are the early Fathers :^)

Vatican 1 is clear. The papal primacy and infallibility ARE claimed by the Church Fathers.

So, if that's actually not claimed, Pie IX is wrong.

Claimed does not mean rooted

The root of something is its source

Not when it was acknowledged

Which is why I said "further than that, it is rooted in Christ"

No. It's off topic.

You don't get my point.

Off topic?

It directly addresses what you said

I'm looking for the Pastor Aeternus quote, pls hold on

6. For the Holy Spirit was promised to the successors of Peter not so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine, but that, by his assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles. Indeed, their apostolic teaching was embraced by ALL THE VENERABLE FATHERS and reverenced and followed by all the holy orthodox doctors, for they knew very well that this See of St. Peter ALWAYS REMAINS UNBLEMISHED by any error, in accordance with the divine promise of our Lord and Savior to the prince of his disciples: "I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren."[60]

Yes, everything there is true, what is the problem?

Why do you think that the "first among equals" damage control exists?

We agree on what ALL THE VENERABLE FATHERS means ?

To you, who Pie IX is pointing with ALL THE VENERABLE FATHERS?

The early Church, in which you can constantly observe the primacy that is given to the roman see

Actually your church is sharing numerous Church Fathers with the Orthodox Chruch, right ?

You hate catjolicism so much and are so much of a former protestant that it wouldnt surprise me if you wanted to separate the Church Fathers somehow

Ad hominem.

Answer the question, please. Or it's no point to debate.