Message from @Quarantine_Zone

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2018-12-30 17:38:56 UTC  

They are mostly Wesleyan Arminian

2018-12-30 17:39:23 UTC  

And they're split on "Lordship Salvation" and "easy believism"

2018-12-30 17:39:30 UTC  

As a former Protestant most Protestants are impossible to reason witg

2018-12-30 17:39:45 UTC  

You have to know how to approach

2018-12-30 17:41:32 UTC  

You'll likely find Confessional Lutherans and Anglo-Catholics easier to talk with

2018-12-30 17:42:01 UTC  

Baptists and Anabaptists are pretty insane to reason with though

2018-12-30 17:42:19 UTC  

I am willing to try, but as I myself am newly an apostolic christian it would be a great boon to find a woman already here

2018-12-30 17:43:02 UTC  

Though, tbh, I don't really want the Lutherans and Anglos converted to EO because those are my kin lol

2018-12-30 17:43:45 UTC  

you need to convert, and bring them with you

2018-12-30 17:43:52 UTC  

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2018-12-30 17:43:55 UTC  

Nop lol

2018-12-30 17:44:10 UTC  

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2018-12-30 17:44:33 UTC  

Well yeah, all Prots lest Anglo-Catholics are anathematized by Nicaea II

2018-12-30 17:46:33 UTC  

That's actually the hardest thing for me as a Lutheran--Nicaea II

2018-12-30 17:47:35 UTC  

Because we don't pray to saints

2018-12-30 17:47:51 UTC  

Or rather ask for intercession

2018-12-30 20:15:49 UTC  

@Quarantine_Zone so Calvinist soteriology along with Pentecostal glossolalia?

2018-12-30 20:15:54 UTC  

Sounds like my mother tbh

2018-12-30 21:03:33 UTC  

Nah lol

2018-12-30 21:03:41 UTC  

Wesleyan Arminianism

2018-12-30 21:03:43 UTC  
2018-12-30 21:04:08 UTC  

I can send in a flowchart of prot Soteriologies

2018-12-30 21:04:42 UTC  

There are quite a few variants on Calvinism and Arminianism and 2 variants in Lutheranism

2018-12-30 21:06:06 UTC  

There are 6 variants on Arminianism essentially

2018-12-30 21:06:42 UTC  

Two of such variants are part of "Wesleyan" Soteriology, IE New Wesleyan and Old Wesleyan

2018-12-30 21:07:27 UTC  

One variant of Arminianism is "Open Theology Arminianism," which is by and large apostate IMO

2018-12-30 21:08:51 UTC  

One variant is known as "Classical/Reformed Arminianism," two names for the same thing. Those guys are closer to Lutherans and Calvinists.

2018-12-30 21:09:42 UTC  

Then there are "Dispensational Arminians" which is related to Dispensational Eschatology because they often go hand-in-hand, but they are theologically unrelated for the most part.

2018-12-30 21:10:38 UTC  

And lastly, OSAS Arminians.

2018-12-30 21:11:11 UTC  

Wesleyan Soteriology is actually kinda close to EO

2018-12-30 21:12:11 UTC  

You'll find some Anglicans who have Wesleyan Soteriology and lean Eastern on many topics. I know some in a Protestant Patristics group

2018-12-30 21:13:24 UTC  

I forget the difference b/w Old and New Wesleyans though. I think Methodists tend to lean toward Old Wesleyan and Nazarenes and Wesleyans lean toward New Wesleyan.

2018-12-30 22:15:15 UTC  

@Quarantine_Zone I thought Baptists followed Calvinist soteriology?

2018-12-30 22:15:23 UTC  

Penties follow Arminianism

@Quarantine_Zone I wouldn’t let conciliatory anathemas get you down too much. Early Christendom tended to talk overly tough with their anathemas. Before Nicaea I, Alexander of Alexandria started to take issue with Arius. Arius caught wind that he was prolly gonna get condemned so he fled to Constantinople and got Eusebius of Nicomedia to team up with him. Alexander got Arius condemned at a local council, but Arius and Eusebius got Alexander anathematized. Does Eusebius’ anathema stand just because he was part of the one true church?

2018-12-30 22:59:45 UTC  

@󠀂 󠀂 Baptists are split on Calvinism vs Arminianism, but the Arminian Baptists are Reformed/Classical Arminians

2018-12-30 23:00:47 UTC  

@ανονυμους βοττομτεξτ Ecumenical council anathemae are at a whole different level though. I see no way around being anathematized by the seventh council

2018-12-30 23:01:26 UTC  

I hold to the first 6 and much of the 7th, which is more than 90% of Prots, but I can't hold to all of 7

Think of it this way

In an individual setting, the office of the keys=contingent upon repentance

Even a super ex opere operato Catjolic would agree that unrepentance=no absolution