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Nop lol

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Well yeah, all Prots lest Anglo-Catholics are anathematized by Nicaea II

That's actually the hardest thing for me as a Lutheran--Nicaea II

Because we don't pray to saints

Or rather ask for intercession

@Quarantine_Zone so Calvinist soteriology along with Pentecostal glossolalia?

Sounds like my mother tbh

Nah lol

Wesleyan Arminianism

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I can send in a flowchart of prot Soteriologies

There are quite a few variants on Calvinism and Arminianism and 2 variants in Lutheranism

There are 6 variants on Arminianism essentially

Two of such variants are part of "Wesleyan" Soteriology, IE New Wesleyan and Old Wesleyan

One variant of Arminianism is "Open Theology Arminianism," which is by and large apostate IMO

One variant is known as "Classical/Reformed Arminianism," two names for the same thing. Those guys are closer to Lutherans and Calvinists.

Then there are "Dispensational Arminians" which is related to Dispensational Eschatology because they often go hand-in-hand, but they are theologically unrelated for the most part.

And lastly, OSAS Arminians.

Wesleyan Soteriology is actually kinda close to EO

You'll find some Anglicans who have Wesleyan Soteriology and lean Eastern on many topics. I know some in a Protestant Patristics group

I forget the difference b/w Old and New Wesleyans though. I think Methodists tend to lean toward Old Wesleyan and Nazarenes and Wesleyans lean toward New Wesleyan.

@Quarantine_Zone I thought Baptists followed Calvinist soteriology?

Penties follow Arminianism

@Quarantine_Zone I wouldn’t let conciliatory anathemas get you down too much. Early Christendom tended to talk overly tough with their anathemas. Before Nicaea I, Alexander of Alexandria started to take issue with Arius. Arius caught wind that he was prolly gonna get condemned so he fled to Constantinople and got Eusebius of Nicomedia to team up with him. Alexander got Arius condemned at a local council, but Arius and Eusebius got Alexander anathematized. Does Eusebius’ anathema stand just because he was part of the one true church?

@󠀂 󠀂 Baptists are split on Calvinism vs Arminianism, but the Arminian Baptists are Reformed/Classical Arminians

@ανονυμους βοττομτεξτ Ecumenical council anathemae are at a whole different level though. I see no way around being anathematized by the seventh council

I hold to the first 6 and much of the 7th, which is more than 90% of Prots, but I can't hold to all of 7

Think of it this way

In an individual setting, the office of the keys=contingent upon repentance

Even a super ex opere operato Catjolic would agree that unrepentance=no absolution

When it comes to larger, broader excommunications, I tend to look at it as the anathema being contingent upon whether or not it’s biblically faithful

And good luck finding a mandate to venerate icons as prescribed in Nicaea II in the New Testament

The anathemae at councils aren't the same type of anathemae as the Bible ofc

But I'm still anathematized nonetheless

Well sure

And your point?

It makes it hard for me to call myself truly "orthodox"

Which is unsettling. I don't like it

I like being in line with the historical church