"We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)"

The same Muhammed that also says that the Sun sets in a muddy pool

Is this cringe fest the reason why someone should believe in Muhammed?

That article reeks of reading back into the text something that isn't there

I don't find that image in the Quran

People knew basic embryonic development

But it describes how an embryo appears

It wasn't known until 1800s

It describes with very vague language the development of a person in the womb

That was known science at the time...

It doesn't, it just describes "a drop", "a suspended thing", "a substance"

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That is, generic fleshy growth

And a "blood clot" is **not** what an embryo is lol

If you want it to be scientific, then he got it wrong

I'm sure there is an equivalent of these in Christianity too, and every religion

They are wild straw-grasping

Seriously dude?

Are you also going to show us the WE WUZ pictures telling us how Beethoven was black?

This cant be seen by the eye

"This can't be seen by the eye." You mean, "You have to read it in this specific way that doesn't match the actual text to understand it."

Thousands of years of prophecies and theology for this, people being "more convinced" by this cringe fest

How about when Muhammad told his followers they would one day conquer Constantinople and how the Rashidun won battles outnumbered by 200,000 +

Let me4 look for some picture that exemplifies how retarded this is

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Also, predicting you will take a country then it happening centuries later is far from prophecy

"hey dudes, if you follow me you will win battles"

Tells a lot about the purpose and legitimacy of a religion

I'm about to eat so if anyone wants to continue this I'll do it in 10 mins or over vc

> tells group to focus on war
> group focuses on war and expands
> says one day a city not far off will be conquered
> "prophecy"

They were 400 at the time

And under siege for Arab pagans

¿? Muhammed preached "peace and tolerance" until they outnumbered their enemies. That is why they sieged Mecca. Muhammed enjoyed, during his life, a huge army that he used to slaughter the surrounding tribes and populations. They are driven by bloodlust and lust, which is what they used to convert people, promising virgins and rivers of honey and milk for those who perform jihad.

There is LITERALLY NOTHING backing up Muhammed's claims of divinity, while there are a million arguments against it: the references to some fictional Bible where he was supposed to be announced, his verses advocating for paganism in the beginning, his retarded fanfic about Jesus, his belief that Mary was part of the Trinity and the sister of Moses, the fragments taken from the gnostic gospels, his nonsense about how you must dip entirely flies that drop in your drink, his promiscuity, the verses where he gives as "divine revelation" that guests shouldn't bother him, the shameful abrogation of verses when people find contradictions, his failed "theology" where God prays. And then there is his entire life, filled with murder with the object of creating a harem and army. He was a monster, a perverse man, a disgusting retard, only surpassed by the muslims who consider that abomination a prophet.

The whole doctrine regarding the NT in Islam is so dumb it's unbelievable

As I said, two thousand years of theology, sacrifice and careful study of witnesses and prophecies overruled by some 90s moor website saying "we wuz scientific n' warlords"

It's almost as bad as those guys trying to take down Christianity with "muh Horus"

https://youtu.be/s0-EgjUhRqA

@Mr. Byzantium @Daniil @Ironclad If you guys want to share the Patristics discord into /cult/ that might get some more trads in there to discuss