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He said "RE: gender identity disorder/body dysmorphia"

And I simplified it

@Deleted User Dude, the Book of Enoch is non-canonical. It's never been in the Bible, Catholic or otherwise. It's no more infallible than the Gospel of Mary.

Yes it has actually

The Ethiopian miaphysites use it in their Bible

The BoE isn't Canonical, but everyone should read it as it's interesting.

Also @Byzas enoch

>Ethiopians

I was just pointing out that a church claiming to be Christian somewhere has the book in the canon

The book was historically used by orthodox Christians at some point too but it got thrown out because people like St Augustine didn't like it

@Deleted User gotta be honest the stuff you're saying isn't even correct for Calvinism

"everybody is given grace"

What then is limited atonement? How about double-predestination?

And if grace is irresistible and everyone is given grace, then you'd have to be a universalist (IE *everyone* in the world is saved)

This presents obvious issues

I suggest you read up on the Synod of Dort, Calvin's institutes, and the writings of Beza.

That being said, Calvinism is dumb. Go read the Second Council of Orange. The closest thing you'll find to Calvinist soteriology is Augustine, but that falls apart too when you realize that Augustine believes in resistable grace (different from prevenient grace) and believes in Perseverance of the Elect (different from perseverance of the saints)

Augustine has something much closer to Lutheran soteriology with the added Double Predestination, which was then condemned at Orange II.

Hence why Lutherans reject the doctrine.

Eternal reprobation makes God the author of evil. And is not a loving God.

St Augustine had an axiom “if a man stands it’s by the will of God, if he falls it’s by his own will”

Which is exactly what Lutherans believe. Salvation is the monergistic act of God, but if we are condemned, it is our own doing. This is one of the primary principles that separates Lutherans from our Presbyterian brethren.

@Quarantine_Zone You do know that the Presbyterians (i.e. followers of the Westminster Standards) are the inferiors in the 'Reformed' tradition? They don't understand that the Continental Reformed tradition (mainly the Three Forms of Unity and the Helvetic Confessions) have an agreeable but different mindset all together.
An interesting thing happens with Lutheranism in a couple of confessions (especially the Consensus of Zurich and the Tetrapolitan Confession), that they where very anti-lutheranism in nature, mostly in the disagreement about Memorialism (specific Zwinglian ideal) and the Sacramental Union most Lutherans believed. Only later the 'threat' of Amyraldism was dealt with in the Helvetic Consensus of 1675. Amyraldism has made a distinct mark on a lot of congregationalists in the Americas and in turn changed Reformed tradition at least a bit over there.

@Wzl Presbys are closer to Lutherans in Sacramentology. And the OPC perhaps one of the closest Protestant denominations to Lutheranism

Presbys affirm a different form of baptismal regeneration, but at least it's baptismal regeneration. They also at least affirm spiritual presence in communion.

I agree though that they should utilize more of amyrhaut

He was much more moderate on "Calvinism" as a soteriology

And for "Lutherans" today, I refer to those who hold to the Book of Concord

@Deleted User how did it go with the imam?

Well good news, he was very amicable and was willing to sit down and talk

But the talk was sorta all over the place, between me being a terrible theologian and the imam talking about how the early christians made up the story of Jesus

I told him "ok if Jesus was a prophet and he taught Islam, what happened to the Muslim followers"

If they made up the story of Jesus why does Muhammed says the Bible, which then had the same story we havve today, is the word of God?

And where is the evidence that they made it up because some warlord pedophile says so 600 years later?

You should have told him to stop wasting your time with made up nonsense that contradicts every single record, witness and evidence

Or you could as well say that Muhammed was a christian and everything they say about him is a made up story

Yeah honestly it was sort of a shitshow

I tried explaining that the early church worshipped Christ

That Paul wasn't the first one to write about Christ

Oh and that Paul was the last person in the world to be a Christian. Considering that he persecuted the church

All the while, Allah had started Christianity, because he miraculously made one look like Jesus and thus satisfying the Jews desire to do away with him