potential cannot make itself actual, i.e, things need causes

so if everything needs a cause, then somewhere along the line there needs to be a reality which can cause yet is uncaused, or else you end up with an infinite regress

Now from our experiences on Earth, the unmoved mover's premises and even its conclusion, seem to be true
P1) Everything that happens or exists must have a cause
P2) The universe began to exist
C) Therefore, the universe had a cause

In order to prevent infinite recession, one must assume there is a first cause, an unmoved mover. Now this argument alone can be used to justify the belief in an unmoved mover, HOWEVER it does not justify the believe that the unmoved mover is
1) sentient and omnipotent
2) Still in existence
3) Infallible

Those are infered, along things like univity and perfection

well to start at number 2

if the unmoved mover is purely actual, and not potential, it couldn't not exist since that would make it potential

as for omnipotence, if the unmoved mover is not omnipotent that would mean there are unrealised potentials. This cannot be since it is purely actual

as for sentient, to create ex nihilo/be the first cause requires an act of the will.

Not to mention that we can't create sentience from non-sentience

yes

or create full stop without sentience

technically only God can create, we can only make

I've got a test in 20 minutes but ill continue after

oh ok

good luck!

thanks

imma gonna sleep

im tired af

God bless

Regarding infallibility, I say that it can refer to two things. One related to knowledge, a case in which the unmoved mover doesn't lack any knowledge, being the mover and cause of everything. Related to what is good for something from its given nature and origin, God, not being originated form something but origin and cause of everything, is rather what defines goodness and the cause by which we ultimately perceive goodness

yeah, I wasn't sure what was meant in this context by infallible

Okay

What's this whole argument about the flood about

I'm late

Typical obsession with the flood and whatever

So from what I gather, @Riley is a non-believer?

<:bruh:569616839340982272>

The flood doesn't matter in regards to proving whether god exists lol

Going to sleep, very late here

Thats what I said

It can be literally literal as a global flood, as a metaphor, or as an event that actually occured/has basis in historical events (maybe a regional flood) but was dramatized in order to better convey spiritual truth.

But it doesnt matter

@Orrbit

You're rite

Non-believers <:bruh:569616839340982272>

At the end of the day, what matters is the ressurection

That was what swayed me

People don't just put down their entire lives and travel all over the world just to die.

I don't think St. Thomas would've left Israel and travelled all the way to India to be speared all for the sake of a lie

He felt Jesus's wounds.

St. Paul, Roman citizen and persecutor of Christians, wouldn't travel all over the Mediterranean only to be beheaded by the Emperor for the sake of a lie.
He saw God.