Message from @Riley
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Can you tell me what the philosophical argument is
well, the unmoved mover
so, the mere fact that there is something, as supposed to nothing needs an explanation
something either actually is, or potentially is
potential cannot make itself actual, i.e, things need causes
so if everything needs a cause, then somewhere along the line there needs to be a reality which can cause yet is uncaused, or else you end up with an infinite regress
Now from our experiences on Earth, the unmoved mover's premises and even its conclusion, seem to be true
P1) Everything that happens or exists must have a cause
P2) The universe began to exist
C) Therefore, the universe had a cause
In order to prevent infinite recession, one must assume there is a first cause, an unmoved mover. Now this argument alone can be used to justify the belief in an unmoved mover, HOWEVER it does not justify the believe that the unmoved mover is
1) sentient and omnipotent
2) Still in existence
3) Infallible
Those are infered, along things like univity and perfection
well to start at number 2
if the unmoved mover is purely actual, and not potential, it couldn't not exist since that would make it potential
as for omnipotence, if the unmoved mover is not omnipotent that would mean there are unrealised potentials. This cannot be since it is purely actual
as for sentient, to create ex nihilo/be the first cause requires an act of the will.
Not to mention that we can't create sentience from non-sentience
yes
or create full stop without sentience
technically only God can create, we can only make
I've got a test in 20 minutes but ill continue after
oh ok
good luck!
thanks
im tired af
God bless
Regarding infallibility, I say that it can refer to two things. One related to knowledge, a case in which the unmoved mover doesn't lack any knowledge, being the mover and cause of everything. Related to what is good for something from its given nature and origin, God, not being originated form something but origin and cause of everything, is rather what defines goodness and the cause by which we ultimately perceive goodness
yeah, I wasn't sure what was meant in this context by infallible
Okay
What's this whole argument about the flood about
I'm late
Typical obsession with the flood and whatever
<:bruh:569616839340982272>
The flood doesn't matter in regards to proving whether god exists lol
Going to sleep, very late here
Thats what I said
It can be literally literal as a global flood, as a metaphor, or as an event that actually occured/has basis in historical events (maybe a regional flood) but was dramatized in order to better convey spiritual truth.
But it doesnt matter
You're rite
Non-believers <:bruh:569616839340982272>
At the end of the day, what matters is the ressurection
That was what swayed me