Not guidelines for pulling randoms out of the crowd.

That verse seems more to predict the Cathar heresy

1 Timothy 3:1-16

1 Timothy 4:1-4

**1 Timothy 3 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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Qualifications of Bishops / Qualifications of Deacons / The Mystery of Our Religion

<1> The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. <2> Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, <3> not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money. <4> He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way— <5> for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of God's church? <6> He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. <7> Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace and the snare of the devil. <8> Deacons likewise must be serious, not double-tongued, not indulging in much wine, not greedy for money; <9> they must hold fast to the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. <10> And let them first be tested; then, if they prove themselves blameless, let them serve as deacons. <11> Women likewise must be serious, not slanderers, but temperate, faithful in all things. <12> Let deacons be married only once, and let them manage their children and their households well; <13> for those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and great boldness in the faith that is in Christ Jesus. <14> I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these instructions to you so that, <15> if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth. <16> Without any doubt, the mystery of our religion is great: He was revealed in flesh, vindicated in spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed in throughout the world, taken up in glory. ```

**1 Timothy 4:1-4 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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False Asceticism

<1> Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will renounce the faith by paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, <2> through the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared with a hot iron. <3> They forbid marriage and demand abstinence from foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. <4> For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, provided it is received with thanksgiving; ```

@OrthoBro and considering the age of Christianity at that time, where do you think those priests came from?

As I have said, it is perfectly normal that some ordianed bishop had a precious marriage

@Iakovos It doesn't help your case that you keep quoting the same verses, makes you look desperate

Remus would you mind not repeating the same verse over and over

Perhaps if you read it and quit justifying your traditions of men.

We're not going to help you if you keep being insulting and rude.

I'm losing my patience with you also.

I would rather say that you follow a tradition of men

Which is why what I say is perfectly consistent with the earliest Church

All Protestants are traditions of men

So is forbidding bishops to marry

Some bishops were even brought to courts over accusations of returning to theirwives and having children with them

A bishop could have had a previous marriage

We read in Timothy that it is lawful for bishops to have children.

So he was expected to abandon his conjugal rights

Sorry, but I see no part where it says a bishop can marry after becoming a bishop

I disagree. I choose Timothy over Catholic tradition.

Or that he can have children

Maybe your tradition of men added those parts :^)

Perhaps you're being deceived by demons by forbidding marriage :^)

1 Timothy 4:1-4

**1 Timothy 4:1-4 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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False Asceticism

<1> Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will renounce the faith by paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, <2> through the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared with a hot iron. <3> They forbid marriage and demand abstinence from foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. <4> For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, provided it is received with thanksgiving; ```

Sure the demon of Paul when he says how abstinence and virginity is the mostdesirable thing lmao

You are free to marry

Then, you just don't become a priest

Choosing abstinence is different than forbidding. We see that Bishops were married, so let them marry.

You choose to be a priest lmao

But bishops had children.

Lol "traditions of men" says the prot with a 150 year old tradition using a knee capped version of a book given to him by the Catholics.

How many of them after they became bishops

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@OrthoBro yes, let me just say screw the bible and forbid bishops to marry.

Peter was married.

Do you really think Jerome would have written what he wrote if that had been the rule?

And did he go to his family to have sex with his wife and have children?

@Iakovos we have historical records of bishops going back to the 12 Apostles. These are real things you can look at in museums and churches. Do you know how many of them were married to a living person at the time of their ordination?

>imagine separating tradition and scripture