That's the usual one used.

So God is everything and more?

He doesn't say that He is everything, they, pantheists, expand His comprehension from "I am Who exists" to "I am all that exists".

Exodus 3:14

**Exodus 3:14 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

```Dust


<14> God said to Moses: I AM WHO AM. He said: Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel: HE WHO IS, hath sent me to you. ```

Cause now I’m confused, I thought that God is creator so how can the creator be what has been created?

@Mac tíre iarain that's the problem with pantheism

The creator doesn't come into the equation

It's a cyclical heresy

So wait

Is he both the creator and the created?

The I Am is lost on most people today through the inclusion of the second "I". The traditionally wording is "I Am Who AM" where "Am" is a verb (state of being). The modern wording of "I Am Who I Am" is a grammatical error as it changes the sentence meaning from "I Am Being" to "I Am My Being". It is heretical for me to say of myself that I am who am, but it is safe for me to say, as Popeye would, "I am who I am" as that merely says "My personage is me".

***Edit, corrected "Second "Who"" to "Second "I""

So wait, is he both the created and the creator?

I suggest we move this discussion into Catholic Fun Friend Time.

Good idea. Also find some stuff from the Church fathers that explains it well.

No offense but y'all aren't the greatest theologians

I assume this is an arianism rebuttal? @Jimbo2025 @Deleted User

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1027.htm

Y'all behave now, I'm off for the night

Night Wrath!

Time for gym 😎

For arianism rebuttals go through the writtings of the fathers and look up "Arius", "Arian", or similar words.

Finally someone who actually knows what they're talking about

It was confused. We started off (Bunyip and I) talking about pantheism, then Mac joined and we confused him because he was looking for rebuttals of Arianism.

At least I think that's what happened.

Yeah, my talk was unrelated

Sorry for the confusion

In any case, we decided to shift-ho into the Catholic chat.

I was working on an article. But I didn’t publish it on LC because it wasn’t informative. Is it okay if I share it?

Post it in the forums, I'll read and comment on it. I might even share it.

Eugh

Theresa May is finally going

Welcome back to the server again buddy

Not before giving one of the soppiest resignation speeches I've ever seen.

Fuck her though

Lol. Bye bye May.

So what did happen with these elections?

I assume y'all have the results already

Ding dong

I sure hope brexit happens before corby takes over

So he doesn't have to backtrack

He's a good lad but he lacks the spine to go full tankie and say fuck the EU, due to internal pressure