Message from @Daniil
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Pointless memes aside, if you have questions, shoot.
Sorry I was just reading the rules there. So what are people's beliefs here about the Eucharist? Or communion?
It is what Christ tells us it is
Which can be seen also in the writtings of early christians
It's the literal flesh and blood of Christ.
Some greenskins will disagree
No u
We have all 3 factions represented here, Orthodox, Catholic and protestant.
Looking at what Christ said. He said in John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, theyare spirit, and they are life." (KJV)
So it seems that Christ lays some context here to further clarify his position on what he meant when he broke bread and gave wine. Would everyone agree that he was focusing on the spiritual aspect of it and not the actual flesh?
**John 6:63 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
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<63> It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. ```
With the flesh, he refers to wordly things, to the *our* flesh and bones.
Based nrsv
Hmm how was he referring to our flesh when he said that in context to the last super?
The same way there are many writtings about the passions of the flesh
Could as well sya that since the flesh profiteth nothing, God wouldn't incarnate
After all, why do you say it is described how many left him after those words about eating his flesh and drinking his blood? Or why christians were slandered with cannivalism?
Because this wasn't just some silly metaphor, it was important doctrine
It's a good question. However there are some early church Christians who also questioned transubstantiation
Many people will also probably question that 2+2=4
Judas questioned that Christ was the Messiah, probably
The early Church also had other heresies spring up, like nestorianism. Just because some random person thought something doesn't mean it's true.
My main issue with Protestantism is the fact that there are so many different Denominations all claiming they're the only ones who are right.
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I don't even understand what that sentence tries to say. Of course eating the flesh and blood has an effect on your spirit, because they are literally the flesh and blood
Who's saying that
Aaaah if only the apostles had named succesors
Orthodox answer: The mystery of the holy eucharist defies analysis and explanation in purely rational and logical terms. For the eucharist—and Christ Himself—is indeed a mystery of the Kingdom of Heaven which, as Jesus has told us, is “not of this world.” The eucharist—because it belongs to God’s Kingdom—is truly free from the earth-born “logic” of fallen humanity.
The orthodox answer seems ambiguous. You could use that to justify symbolic. Consubstantiation & transubstantiation.
Ambiguous - That's mystery for you
There is nothing symbolic about it
Seems pretty straightforward to me: the accidents are those of bread and wine, but the essence if that of the flesh and blood of Christ. And this trascends reason because it is not something we can conclude from other things, or from ana analysis of whatever
It is a revelation, and if at some point you have doubts, follow the councils of the Church etc.
I haven't take communion in over a year in fear of breahing 1 Corinthians 11:29. I haven't fully figured it out yet
**1 Corinthians 11:29 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
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<29> For all who eat and drink without discerning the body, eat and drink judgment against themselves. ```
Confession time, probably
Breaching*
Protestant communion isn't actual communion. The bread and grape juice isn't consecrated
Instead of trying to "figure it out", read what the succesors of the apostles and the councils said. Don't be prideful.