yep

>God forgives no traitor
is this ironic or what did St Peter do when he debied Christ three times?

@SUPER MALE VITALITY™ agree with this hard.
but also, the churches do engage in social stuff and have decent organization. so being involved in one's church is essential for this, but also theres a decent overlap between the larping insurgents and good church bois, especially in the south

Can Peter's denial really be considered anything more than fear?

Especially when you compare to an orchestrated act to betray such as Judas.

Judas didnt lose his chance for redemption until he killed himself is what I heard

I can see that being the case.

God's mercy being infinite and all that.

God forgives a million treasons if there is repentance.

We don't really know what happened to Judas, since his suicide is motivated by guilt, though of course the suicide itself is a big sin. Christ says "It would be better for him if he had not been born" which seems pretty damning.

Without knowing the greek, that could be a premonition of the overwhelming sense of guilt that follows.

But then, Dante Allighieri was pretty convinced Judas hung from the fangs of Lucifer.

Dante is just a poet

True.

It was ironic <:bruh:569616839340982272>

ppl in another server talkin about greek mythology

haha greek bagans btfo

Is suicide a sin if the person is mentally ill??

huh.. so Logos has payment plans now.. didn't know this. $60 for a year and I'd have enough research material to sate my autism for a lifetime

@alias I guess standard Catholic teaching is that it might not be.. but it depends on the person i guess

I was just wondering. Ive heard both that it is and that it isn't a sin.

the way I heard it described is that intent factors into it

if you don't have full use of your reason...

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07648a.htm

I hope God shows mercy upon those who are very mentally ill and kill themselves. But I don't think Judas was mentally ill I think he was just ashamed of his sin

>Invincible ignorance, whether of the law or of the fact, is always a valid excuse and excludes sin.

Thank you for the link!!

(new advent is shockingly good but hard to read sometimes.. something about their writing style)

I feel the same way!

But I just thought it was me being stupid!!

is Judas in hell?

can't say for sure. Christ said it would be better if he had never been born, which sounds bad for him

RIP

Oof

Yes, Judas is in hell

Probably one of the few we know is actually there

o o f

Yes, had he repented he would have been forgiven, but overwhelmed of guilt for betraying the Son of God he decided to take his life

could that be counted as repentance?

Not at all

hmmmst

He took his life because apart from carrying so much guilt, he had nothing anymore, his friends would despise him for betraying their master, the pharisees saw him as weak for rejecting the silver, it was game over