Message from @Mozalbete ⳩

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2019-07-22 19:34:53 UTC  

This is not just ceremony, because marriage is a sacrament, and what God binds, it is not for men to divide

2019-07-22 19:35:08 UTC  

except for Moses

2019-07-22 19:35:33 UTC  

So those authors who say that sexual immorality disolves marriage can go ********************

2019-07-22 19:35:53 UTC  

Mosaic law was replaced already wasn’t it?

2019-07-22 19:36:11 UTC  

Rather than replaced, it fulfilled its function

2019-07-22 19:36:18 UTC  

In a way, of course, it was replaced

2019-07-22 19:36:23 UTC  

Because it fulfilled its function

2019-07-22 19:36:32 UTC  

Yeah

2019-07-22 19:37:37 UTC  

ill be sure to tell that to
```4. Divorce and remarriage allowed.
a. For husband while adulterous wife lives: St. Basil, St. Epiphanius of Salamis, St. Augustine (at first said otherwise but changed his mind and then reverted back to first opinion), Tertullian, Ambrosiaster, St. Theodore of Canterbury, Council of Trullo, Council of Vannes 465, Council of Rome in 826.
b. For either innocent husband or wife in case of an adulterous spouse or other offense: Epiphanius of Salamis, ”Exceptions” of Egbert, Patriarch Alexis of Constantinople (addresses only the case of the woman).
c. For adulterous spouse after period of penance: St. Theodore of Canterbury.
d. Because marriage can be dissolved by adultery (insinuating remarriage could occur as the first one no longer exists): St. Cyril of Alexandria, St. Asterius of Amasea, St. Theodore of Canterbury, Lactanius, Hilary of Poitier.
e. After other spouse takes monastic vows: St. Theodore of Canterbury, Council of Compiegne,
f. For husband allowed while first wife lives due to first wife’s health: Pope Gregory II.
g. For husband if wife tries to kill him: Council of Verberie
h. For husband if stranded in a foreign land for good: Council of Verberie
```

2019-07-22 19:37:45 UTC  

And also observe

2019-07-22 19:37:57 UTC  

How in that very text you mention, the most popular position there is that

2019-07-22 19:38:37 UTC  

The remarriage is allowed only for the husband (probably because Paul mentions how a woman that separates must not remarry). And of course, implying that the same does not apply to men is foolish

2019-07-22 19:43:05 UTC  

"But Moses allowed us to divorce our wives"
"He did so because of your hard hearts. From the beginning the plan was one man, one woman, one inseparable flesh."

2019-07-22 19:43:14 UTC  

Paraphrasing obviously

2019-07-22 19:46:21 UTC  

and the hearts have softened much?

2019-07-22 19:46:43 UTC  

In cause you didn't notice, we aren't subject to the mosaic law

2019-07-22 19:47:13 UTC  

but the eternal one

2019-07-22 19:47:56 UTC  

Just saying they used the "but Moses" argument and Christ directly rebuked them for it

2019-07-22 19:48:15 UTC  

sure

2019-07-22 19:48:30 UTC  

the ideal is one man, one woman, forever

2019-07-22 19:48:53 UTC  

It's the only legitimate thing because of the nature of marriage

2019-07-22 19:48:56 UTC  

this ideal can be deviated from for extreme practical reasons tho as Moses demonstrates

2019-07-22 19:49:05 UTC  

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2019-07-22 19:49:11 UTC  

so Moses and Israelites had no legitimate marriag

2019-07-22 19:49:13 UTC  

got it

2019-07-22 19:49:26 UTC  

I really wonder in how many heresies and perversions of scripture you are going to indulge, only to defend your nonsense

2019-07-22 19:49:46 UTC  

Because at this point, I think that even the priest of your parish would slap you

2019-07-22 19:49:58 UTC  

sure. and your church will continue to give out "annulments" like candy instead of just admiting its opersting in a fallen world and deal accordingly with it

2019-07-22 19:50:24 UTC  

Ok, then you admit you have a Church of the world

2019-07-22 19:50:31 UTC  

orthodox allow divorce and remarriage in extreme cases.

2019-07-22 19:50:33 UTC  

The World for you

2019-07-22 19:50:37 UTC  

God for me

2019-07-22 19:50:47 UTC  

lmao

2019-07-22 19:50:51 UTC  

Mormons are cool I guess. "We only practiced polygamy so all the woman had a man who could take care of them because of how extreme our situation was." Couldn't you take care of them without marrying? "Nah, impossible"

2019-07-22 19:50:55 UTC  

You should become catholic, you are filled with the spirit of V2

2019-07-22 19:51:14 UTC  

catholicism is what allows v2 to happen in the first place

2019-07-22 19:51:23 UTC  

a church filled with mental gymansts

2019-07-22 19:51:26 UTC  

If it were by you, we would have like V4 already

2019-07-22 19:52:08 UTC  

I mean it's better to be a mental gymnast than a mental couch potato

2019-07-22 19:52:27 UTC  

After all, we live in a fallen world, why not deal accordingly with the fact that other people beleive in other things? Or that homosexuality is accepted worldwide?

2019-07-22 19:52:53 UTC  

One thing is recognizing some people will do something