Message from @Mozalbete ⳩
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can i get a list of instances where Peter got the final word?
Well, regarding the things Jesus said, we can refer to the many instances where he is set as a prominenet figure
Lmao no, I don't have a handy list at hand, so feel free to research his treatment by others
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and why is the Roman Bishop the successor of Peter? why not the Bishop of Antioch?
Because of the role of Rome, in his history and Paul's. It is undeniable that it was the bishop of Rome afterwards that was considered to hold a special position
>undeniable
Yes, that is completely undeniable, the special role of both the bishop of Rome, and Rome
suppose i want to deny it
what would you say to that
That the early Church historians mention hte privileges of the bishop of Rome, not the bishop of Antioch
And that precisely cities that rise in glory in one way or another are refered to as "new Rome", not "new Antioch"
which Church historians. can I get some names and quotes
Yes, 1 minute
what about the church fathers which regard another bishop as the successor of peter?
For example, by Sochrates Scholastus, in his Church history:
"There each laid his case before Julius, bishop of Rome. He on his part, by virtue of the Church of Rome's peculiar privilege, sent them back again into the East, fortifying them with commendatory letters; and at the same time restored to each his own place, and sharply rebuked those by whom they had been deposed"
And Sozomen also says:
" He replied at the same time to the letter of the bishops who were convened at Antioch, for just then he happened to have received their epistle, and accused them of having clandestinely introduced innovations contrary to the dogmas of the Nicene council, and of having violated the laws of the Church, by neglecting to invite him to join their Synod; for he alleged that there is a sacerdotal canon which declares that whatever is enacted contrary to the judgment of the bishop of Rome is null"
Overall, I think there is a very good case that Rome had a special place
don't get too sectarian
I have to go to the gym. Don't get too autistic (anyone involved), and try to be understanding and kind with each other
Yeah ok I'll retract I don't have time to argue right now
>Sit on quiet coach for train to London.
>Surrounded by Muslims who can't shut up. <:aaa:509492295599652864> <:aaa:509492295599652864> <:aaa:509492295599652864> <:aaa:509492295599652864>
ah, not so quiet eh!
Literally could not be any more obvious with the amount of signs saying "quiet zone" in big, bold letters.
rip
Were the signs in Arabic? That might be the problem
going into voice chat
Tfw just about to get into VC and @Mozalbete ⳩ leaves
Joining, but will have to leave soon for some time (not too much)
back
I would join but not home atm
I didn't see you were back :c @Mozalbete ⳩
Oyy vey
this is epic
Christ be praised
Heheh.
Bring the sword of God onto the deviants.
God with us