Message from @Billy Ray Jenkins

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2017-12-06 00:13:56 UTC  

which involved invading the North burning everything in sight

2017-12-06 00:13:59 UTC  

and forcing surrender

2017-12-06 00:14:01 UTC  

ala Sherman

2017-12-06 00:14:10 UTC  

of course they vetoed it

2017-12-06 00:14:30 UTC  

but the army of VA did invade???

2017-12-06 00:14:31 UTC  

supposedly Stonewall HATED Judah P Benjamin

2017-12-06 00:14:46 UTC  

no this was supposed to be a burn everything in sight live off the land march to lake erie

2017-12-06 00:14:59 UTC  

Lee wouldnt do it, he refused to make war on civilians

2017-12-06 00:15:07 UTC  

but this was before Lee had been appointed

2017-12-06 00:15:13 UTC  

yeah he was too much of a gentlemen...ok gotcha

2017-12-06 00:15:13 UTC  

this was under Johnston I believe in 61

2017-12-06 00:15:29 UTC  

The reason was because Lee didn't go to school under Mahan

2017-12-06 00:15:43 UTC  

Mahan was at West Point only a year before he left and went to Europe

2017-12-06 00:15:50 UTC  

he hadnt formed his theory of total war yet

2017-12-06 00:15:55 UTC  

Lee Graduated under the old system

2017-12-06 00:16:07 UTC  

both Stonewall and Sherman studied under Mahan

2017-12-06 00:16:14 UTC  

and adopted the modern technique

2017-12-06 00:17:04 UTC  

Actually Total War wasnt Modern at all, it was merely a return to Pre-Christian Warfare. Since Augustine, battle had been fought according to rules

2017-12-06 00:17:36 UTC  

except when fighting infidels when 2 Christian peoples fought they had to fight for proper reasons and conduct the battle in such a way not to be brutal

2017-12-06 00:17:52 UTC  

@MatthewHeimbach Have you studied any on that?

2017-12-06 00:18:10 UTC  

Being in the Orthodox Communion im sure you studied a bit on that

2017-12-06 00:18:19 UTC  

Augustines philosophy about war

2017-12-06 00:18:22 UTC  

Aye, Just War Doctrine

2017-12-06 00:18:27 UTC  

I knew it

2017-12-06 00:18:33 UTC  

you knew what I was getitng at

2017-12-06 00:19:05 UTC  

The War For Southern Independence was truly in my mind the last war that began under Just War Theory and ended in modern war

2017-12-06 00:19:35 UTC  

I read Lee's memoirs and although it never mentions it in there, im about 99% sure he ascribed to just war theory

2017-12-06 00:19:42 UTC  

Jackson did not

2017-12-06 00:20:23 UTC  

@katherine would love this conversation, she took a class that revolved around the civil war, and how basically the south dindu nuffin

2017-12-06 00:20:26 UTC  

Stonewall was a Presbyterian Calvinist not too different from the Yankee Puritans in their belief on Dominion and destruction

2017-12-06 00:20:59 UTC  

Calvinists believed the Elect could deal with the sinners any way they wanted basically

2017-12-06 00:21:39 UTC  

"the south will rise again" started because lincoln basically said fuck them, let them rebuild by themselves, leaving the women to clean the battle fields of decaying bodies and such

2017-12-06 00:21:43 UTC  

Stonewall boiled his war belief down in that basic way, he saw the South as the Elect of God and the North as Sinners who needed to be destroyed

2017-12-06 00:21:58 UTC  

it was like the Old Testament Wars of Joshua also

2017-12-06 00:22:09 UTC  

the Elect can put the entire land under the Ban and Kill everything on it

2017-12-06 00:22:43 UTC  

After Augustine the only time Christians could do savage all out war, was against infidels and pagans

2017-12-06 00:22:54 UTC  

like Muslims go ahead and burn their babies and pregnant women who cares

2017-12-06 00:23:13 UTC  

Pagans Jews ditto

2017-12-06 00:25:11 UTC  

@MatthewHeimbach Have you read any about the Russo-Turkish War and how Britian sided with Islam to keep the Tsar from taking Constantinoople

2017-12-06 00:25:22 UTC  

Did someone say Stonewall?

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