to the extent that you can find fundamentalists outside of an Amish community

I looked it up and some of its tenets are wrong

not really that based imo

if jews were going to have a downfall, wouldnt they have been gone by now, after being kicked out and persecuted so many times?

for example, that of Irresistable Grace.

I think the only time I've seen "Based" and "Calvinists" in the same sentence is when I once said "I would like to see Calvinists based at the foot of the Gallows."

Jews prove that even if God chooses someone, they can still turn away

Calvinists reject free will if they accept such tenets

they pretty much do reject free will

Not based. Humans do have free will

Free will is also why we have sin

Since humans at a given moment can choose to do wrong or right

Jews certainly chose after being gifted commandments from God himself

nothing you do happens independent of God

your choices are God's will

And if that was the case, God would've chosen the people of Sodom to stop sinning so he wouldn't have to destroy the,

*them

But he gave them the choice

even said to them "Hey, if you can find 1 person who isn't a total faggot, I won't clap your village"

hmmm

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"the human will is in bondage to sin, and the only one who can change that is God the Holy Spirit" - a calvinist

"sin is a product of our choices, and we are only as bound to sin as we choose to be" -most other Christians

a calvinist: the idea the humans are in bondage, in chains, to a sinful will, is biblical

the word sin is said to derive from Greek

in terms of archery, it means to miss your mark

in the context of christianity its to miss the path of God

I think both are true. Even when we choose, we only can lead towards good by God's action

Calvinists essentially say "you don't control the road you walk on"

even though every step we take (or in this case, every actions, according to this metaphor) leads in a certain direction

only God can set you straight. you cant do it out of your own free will

Free will means to *choose* God's will over your own

What you're saying is "You don't have free will until you choose God"

that's an illogical statement

>you cant do it out of your own free will
Good way to pavlov yourself into inaction and sloth.

no, what in saying is "your will is bound to sin until God chooses YOU"

Aren't we all chosen to begin with?

And the matter is just recognizing you're chosen?

God has only chosen people once, and that was with the Jews. And even after being chosen, they rejected him

You have to choose it, but that choice is able thanks to God

there are choices, you can't deny that

But there is no personal merit when choosing good