Message from @Grengar

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2019-12-02 03:13:24 UTC  

Not by itself, no

2019-12-02 03:13:59 UTC  

Also, infinity its impossible to know, because we could never know if something that appears infinite is actually infinite

2019-12-02 03:14:08 UTC  

But we know that numbers are infinite

2019-12-02 03:15:17 UTC  

Well, logic and maths in general are infinite, the abstract world is infinite, so we know that the infinite is logically provable, just as a god is logically provable

2019-12-02 03:15:31 UTC  

I wouldn't say it's all default knowledge. A child might understand 2+2 = 4 but pi is a complete mystery to them. The point being that they need to grow and expand their knowledge and understanding of mathematics.

2019-12-02 03:16:03 UTC  

yeah, but they could find pi with just rezoning

2019-12-02 03:16:48 UTC  

Right, but it isn't innate

2019-12-02 03:17:05 UTC  

empirical science comes from studying the world around us, formal science comes from pure reasoning

2019-12-02 03:17:50 UTC  

you don't born with the tools to know history or physics, but you born with the tools to know maths

2019-12-02 03:18:36 UTC  

let a human in a room isolated from the world and the only science he could develop to the maximum state are formal science

2019-12-02 03:19:07 UTC  

And metaphysics is a formal science like mathematics

2019-12-02 03:19:49 UTC  

Ah, le logical empiricism

2019-12-02 03:20:00 UTC  

May I ask what works of the Vienna circle have you read?

2019-12-02 03:20:03 UTC  

The question of the existence of God is a metaphysical one because there is not necessarily any empirical proof

2019-12-02 03:21:41 UTC  

but metaphysics, from what i know, are not axioms like maths and logic, there are different beliefs towards metaphysics, but not with maths and logic

2019-12-02 03:22:11 UTC  

works of the Vienna circle?

2019-12-02 03:22:54 UTC  

Logical empiricism is a collective definition set by the works of many authors who were memebers of a group called the Vienna circle

2019-12-02 03:24:13 UTC  

you are right, maybe there is no empirical way to prove it, but if you want to make it irrefutable, then it has to be proved in the abstract like maths

2019-12-02 03:25:24 UTC  

Still?

2019-12-02 03:25:27 UTC  

Maths don’t even support each other

2019-12-02 03:25:44 UTC  

Nothing has to be proved you entitled nit

2019-12-02 03:25:48 UTC  

Ever heard of Gödels incompleteness theorems?

2019-12-02 03:26:20 UTC  

some logical paradox?

2019-12-02 03:26:26 UTC  

Maths don’t add up as a language, they stop making sense when put together

2019-12-02 03:26:35 UTC  

i will google it

2019-12-02 03:26:38 UTC  

Ok

2019-12-02 03:28:10 UTC  

@Grengar yeah, insults are a good way to prove something

2019-12-02 03:29:18 UTC  

@Enryse may I suggest that reading the philosophers who actually make the claim may be more beneficial than asking internet strangers?

2019-12-02 03:31:51 UTC  

you could redirect me to some of them

2019-12-02 03:31:56 UTC  

please

2019-12-02 03:33:00 UTC  
2019-12-02 03:33:38 UTC  

Lol

2019-12-02 03:33:48 UTC  

yeah that didnt helped the last time

2019-12-02 03:35:04 UTC  

i have invested a lot of time seeking a proof of god existence, of an after life, and other things, but i haven't found any that is irrefutable

2019-12-02 03:35:36 UTC  

because, believe or not, i want the after life to be true

2019-12-02 03:35:44 UTC  

Thomas Aquinas is one, Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange

2019-12-02 03:35:48 UTC  

That's pretty selfish bro

2019-12-02 03:36:04 UTC  

Yeah, Aquinas is for the niggas who always (allegedly) seek reason

2019-12-02 03:36:41 UTC  

I honestly have inclined more towards Palamite theology, but Aquinas is still an og big dog gangsta in this game

2019-12-02 03:37:46 UTC  

Yeah, I think I'm more inclined to Scotism myself

2019-12-02 03:38:36 UTC  

Also, MacIntyre is good too