so in absence the state these very same things people would have shares in like a corporation of sorts and just like you have a vested interest in what you own so to would you in all liklyhood want to protect these things through voluntary means

essently the Hoppean would expect people to voluntarily fund private border securty

Cool. What if i own part of the border and decide to let those people in?

or are they assuming no such thing as a sale

or no such thing as self interest

plus most people come in through airplanes

not via walking

that's why it falls apart when you really pick at it

GG @Terry Arcona, you just advanced to level 6!

Contracts? What if i don't sign it?

or are they assuming that everyone who happens to own that land

will happen to sign that contract

Yeah, this whole ideas pretty lacking of being thought through completely

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and where is this border you speak of?

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very symmetrical

What the state said it was, that’s probably what they’d say

Who charts it?

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and why do i agree with your chart?

Let people own property, and don’t worry past that except allowing them to defend themselves, you know, not what we have now

What if i have a completely different idea of where it should be

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you either A. have to accept that all border land is some how privatly owned by these companies and not a single bit of it would go to indivdual property owners. B. assume that even if idivdual property owners owned parts of the land they all would act in the same way and some how uphold certain border norms regardless of self interest. or C. admit that Hoppeanism isn't actually libertarnism at all and there's a certain amount of central planning and authority involved with in it.

C

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A doesn't answer the question of sales

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B is i don't even know what to call it other than pipe dreaming

Delusion, hope, greater good, all of which aren’t good

It hinges on EVERYONE doing this.

Yep

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You could use "social pressure"

buut

If everyone was a hoppean it would work in which case unneeded

If not then it's pointless

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Other argument is such that you need permission anyhow to go anywhere since all land is privately owned but such is an unprofitable logistics nightmare