Message from @Phobia

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2019-08-31 03:40:47 UTC  

every single one of those branches other than LCU, Anarchist and Voluntarist are trying to arrive at an authoritarian destination

2019-08-31 03:41:18 UTC  

there's only one route to absolute liberty

2019-08-31 03:41:27 UTC  

Doesn’t mean they don’t agree with the platform, and that means they have changed that direction

2019-08-31 03:41:29 UTC  

abolishment of authority and the belief in it

2019-08-31 03:41:45 UTC  

If people aren’t given the opportunity, how will they change, think about me

2019-08-31 03:41:47 UTC  

My route is independence from the democrat north

2019-08-31 03:41:55 UTC  

Was hard left police state in my youth

2019-08-31 03:42:33 UTC  

In my youth, the economy was shit and I lived a shitty little shack house next to a junk yard and bar

2019-08-31 03:42:42 UTC  

My route showing everyone how the ways of current governments are barbaric and how we don’t need to do it this way anymore

2019-08-31 03:42:57 UTC  

current governments, or *all* governments?

2019-08-31 03:43:17 UTC  

I know the answer to this lol

2019-08-31 03:43:26 UTC  

just honing your speaking 😉

2019-08-31 03:43:31 UTC  

Government is a hierarchy of order, management isn’t bad, involuntary governance is bad

2019-08-31 03:43:48 UTC  

And true, but not for all with those words

2019-08-31 03:44:39 UTC  

this is a common misconception many anarchists have

2019-08-31 03:44:55 UTC  

govern necessarily requires a state, or an authority

2019-08-31 03:44:58 UTC  

The language of the LCU is key to its success, so what if the words we use convince people to look at it open minded, and see how this gets what they wanted all along, even if the path is different then they foresaw

2019-08-31 03:45:11 UTC  

Authority being key

2019-08-31 03:45:16 UTC  

by definition, that's why I absolutely *never* use the word govern, or any of its derivatives

2019-08-31 03:45:51 UTC  

General manager is an authority high up on a business governance setup, states have given a bad name to governance

2019-08-31 03:46:23 UTC  

I can see that

2019-08-31 03:46:35 UTC  

but do not use, specifically, the word government

2019-08-31 03:47:09 UTC  

Blame involuntary governance, governance in itself isn’t bad, but neither is sex, when you force it though, both are bad

2019-08-31 03:50:24 UTC  

right, but why use the term at all

2019-08-31 03:54:09 UTC  

Because, I don’t want to have to design a new word to say what there is one for, govern, governing, governance, and then government has a bad name where the others are understood, that’s why, words have meaning, but most who feel that way use some wrong, use a umbrella term as a word with meaning, and take words like centrism and say it has meaning without two things to put it in between, or take it as inbetween two parties instead of not limiting yourself to one platform, instead individually looking at issues, like voluntarist tbh

2019-08-31 03:56:06 UTC  

Manage is a voluntary term that can be used in place of govern

2019-08-31 03:56:23 UTC  

Government implies top down authority

2019-08-31 03:56:33 UTC  

Centrist can be replaced, quite literally, with voluntaryist/voluntarist

2019-08-31 03:56:55 UTC  

He's using the name to draw people in

2019-08-31 03:56:58 UTC  

top down authority is not inherently bad, as long as it's voluntary

2019-08-31 03:57:05 UTC  

right, and I have a problem with that

2019-08-31 03:57:11 UTC  

As do I

2019-08-31 03:58:14 UTC  

well, I don't have a "problem" with it, per se

2019-08-31 03:59:08 UTC  

but I don't think it's necessary; if someone's interested in legitimate freedom, a *carrot and stick* shouldn't be necessary

2019-08-31 04:01:43 UTC  

Romerlin and Jonathon are trying to help reverse hard indoctrination, so the terms he uses are what they're used to

2019-08-31 04:01:48 UTC  

Hence why he has to use them

2019-08-31 04:01:57 UTC  

or they I mean

2019-08-31 04:02:05 UTC  

I understand 100%

2019-08-31 04:02:10 UTC  

Hence why he and Romerlin use them .

2019-08-31 04:02:17 UTC  

I'm just not willing to use manipulation to achieve my goals

2019-08-31 04:02:17 UTC  

What?