It's encouragement.

Spending money on fuel to live far from your work or family is not punishment

it's a decision made by the individual

Great, ¿you live in ALL TEN OF THEM?
I said spare me the double-speak, it means stop lying to my face.

they're choosing to spend more on fuel

Yes i live in all ten of them

Just read the wiki article i'm sure it says where they're sold

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¿Seriously bro? ¿Seriously?

¿Seriously.

You are being intentionally uncharitable to my position by assuming my intentions and filling in the gaps in my positions with what you think I think.

That is on you not me.

I don't even understand your argument anymore Mandatory

Electric cars should be completely at cost parity in the next couple of years.

Just to be clear *if* the goal is to reduce fuel use, my preferred policy would be a revenue-neutral fuel tax that returns the revenues generated from the tax to every resident of the region being taxed, with as little overhead as possible.

Thus not decreasing overall household buying power but incentivizing the purchase of less fuel and items that have less embedded fuel costs.

I'm telling you exactly what you're doing. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining, I *AM* being charitable by not blocking you *FIR* lying. I usually do.

@Salacious Swanky Cat
That's a serious possibility, but the electric cars *I* am familiar with don't have the kind of range internal combustion have... ¿Is this changing?

It's raining

You are seriously overreacting, man.

Electric cars can go plenty far

You're both spamming now.

¿Cat?

Nobody is spamming

I don't understand what range you need electric cars to have.

Your argument rests on "alternative fuel" trucks anyways

I will repeat that as far as encouraging people to live near their families and women dropping out of the workforce to raise families I am speaking purely in cultural terms and not about law *at all*. So I'll ask you to take a deep breath and stop misinterpreting me as some kind of authoritarian.

shipping bread doesn't get cheaper when people drive teslas.

Yes. It’s almost standard for newer electric car models to have a rated range of 200 miles or greater.

@uncephalized the policy you described with carbon sounds just like citizens climate lobby’s plan.

I don't know who that is, but I didn't come up with it myself.

I read about the idea years ago and it sounded like a solid policy.

Yeah. Im just saying it’s similar

I’d argue that its fairly unnecessary now since renewables are really cheap.

Yeah my hope is that price signals are going to solve the problem for us.

I would rather not enact *any* top-down regulation that isn't an absolute necessity.

I have high hopes for direct atmospheric conversion to liquid fuel.

If that can be done economically, powered by renewables, we'll have pretty much solved the problem and won't even have to phase out our gasoline infrastructure right away. And I've been hearing about good results.

Won't have to phase out gasoline until we're literally out of gasoline?

Huh this CCL organization doesn't give the appearance of being rabidly Leftist on first glance. That's encouraging.

@Just for youtube [NB1] no I mean we could *make* a gasoline equivalent by capturing atmospheric carbon and hydrogen.

Ok so you'd not have to phase out gasoline ever?

Which is carbon-neutral if the power comes from renewable energy.

That sounds like fun.