Electric cars can go plenty far

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¿Cat?

Nobody is spamming

I don't understand what range you need electric cars to have.

Your argument rests on "alternative fuel" trucks anyways

I will repeat that as far as encouraging people to live near their families and women dropping out of the workforce to raise families I am speaking purely in cultural terms and not about law *at all*. So I'll ask you to take a deep breath and stop misinterpreting me as some kind of authoritarian.

shipping bread doesn't get cheaper when people drive teslas.

Yes. It’s almost standard for newer electric car models to have a rated range of 200 miles or greater.

@uncephalized the policy you described with carbon sounds just like citizens climate lobby’s plan.

I don't know who that is, but I didn't come up with it myself.

I read about the idea years ago and it sounded like a solid policy.

Yeah. Im just saying it’s similar

I’d argue that its fairly unnecessary now since renewables are really cheap.

Yeah my hope is that price signals are going to solve the problem for us.

I would rather not enact *any* top-down regulation that isn't an absolute necessity.

I have high hopes for direct atmospheric conversion to liquid fuel.

If that can be done economically, powered by renewables, we'll have pretty much solved the problem and won't even have to phase out our gasoline infrastructure right away. And I've been hearing about good results.

Won't have to phase out gasoline until we're literally out of gasoline?

Huh this CCL organization doesn't give the appearance of being rabidly Leftist on first glance. That's encouraging.

@Just for youtube [NB1] no I mean we could *make* a gasoline equivalent by capturing atmospheric carbon and hydrogen.

Ok so you'd not have to phase out gasoline ever?

Which is carbon-neutral if the power comes from renewable energy.

That sounds like fun.

Right.

It might happen naturally if batteries get so good that liquid fuels no longer have any advantages.

I've heard about basically cleaning the atmosphere and fueling from it but i've not heard much

It's definitely technically possible through the Fischer-Tropsch processes but as always the devil is in the dollars.

It's not cheaper than fossil fuel yet.

You are just putting in energy to reverse the combustion process and turn water and CO2 into hydrocarbons.

Whoever figures out how to do that cheaply is going to be a very rich man

Ooooh yes.

Lots of people working on it. And the cost depends heavily on the cost of power. So as solar gets cheaper it becomes more competitive.

It's essentially an alternative to batteries, just another way to store energy and move it around.

we can only hope

We could also spend energy to pump hydrocarbons back underground which would remove net carbon from the atmosphere.

If that turns out to be necessary.

@Salacious Swanky Cat
Ok, but I can get twice that at least out of my half-destroyed Ford station wagon... Still needs work, but hey, maybe...

@Just for youtube [NB1]
Forests and tress; It's not just bread. It's bread, milk, bandages, car parts, whole cars, feild artillery peices, half-finished porn movies (ok, pre-edited porn movies), tires, unpainted window frames (vinyl only, they don't make aluminum anymore), door knockers, artificial stone, ready-pour concrete, unready pour concrete, F-18's, F-16's (if they don't crash halfway there), M-16's, M-14's, radiat... ¿Get the picture?
Phasing out gas and deisel may or may not be absolutely necessary.

Less electric cars! Less fun!

You used the example of bread and i used the example of bread.

I get the picture.

200-250 miles gets you farther than you think. Plus, the logistics around charging are different than pumping gas.